wakeup
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Re: Think again
ah so its surpressed fishing trawler fetish is it?
ah so its surpressed fishing trawler fetish is it?
New Sessa C46
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Agree with that. The Sessa's I've seen have been a bit disappointing up close. Built to a price I'd say
KCook
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Err, so does that leave Sessa a notch below Cayman and/or Cranchi ???
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About the same I guess
MapisM
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Below 50' or so there isn't a big choice actually - afaik.
Italian builders tend to target such boats to customers who appreciate big(ish) liveaboard spaces.
I've seen pics of a 43' Nordhavn for example, it's nice on paper, but I guess many people would feel too squeezed for such kind of boat, which is not just aimed at short daily cruises.
Anyway - the boat in the first pic was the smaller of previous selection, and it's a 52'.
The same builder had also a project for a 45' a few years ago, but I don't know its status. On their site there are still just the drawings.
You might like also the following (a bit different though, because it's speedy - sort of - in spite of its appearance), but that's also a 53'.
Below 50' or so there isn't a big choice actually - afaik.
Italian builders tend to target such boats to customers who appreciate big(ish) liveaboard spaces.
I've seen pics of a 43' Nordhavn for example, it's nice on paper, but I guess many people would feel too squeezed for such kind of boat, which is not just aimed at short daily cruises.
Anyway - the boat in the first pic was the smaller of previous selection, and it's a 52'.
The same builder had also a project for a 45' a few years ago, but I don't know its status. On their site there are still just the drawings.
You might like also the following (a bit different though, because it's speedy - sort of - in spite of its appearance), but that's also a 53'.
PowerYachtBlog
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this Zeta Group Cantieri Estensi is a bit of a stolen idea from the Zuccon designed Aprea Maestro, which has really open MY to a new dimension
as for the pictures you submitted the Calafuria and Terranova are nice examples
the 1st usually is a very seaworthy boat
the 2nd is enjoying a good market sucess not only in Italy
Terranova have been clever, they have taken the design shown in this trend of superyacht workboat conversion and made it into a nice practical design, adding ideas from motor yacht design. I think they are here to stay
this Zeta Group Cantieri Estensi is a bit of a stolen idea from the Zuccon designed Aprea Maestro, which has really open MY to a new dimension
as for the pictures you submitted the Calafuria and Terranova are nice examples
the 1st usually is a very seaworthy boat
the 2nd is enjoying a good market sucess not only in Italy
Terranova have been clever, they have taken the design shown in this trend of superyacht workboat conversion and made it into a nice practical design, adding ideas from motor yacht design. I think they are here to stay
Whitelighter
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Looks like a Beneteau Swift Trawler
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Looks like a Beneteau Swift Trawler
Nautorius
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Wow,
That must be function over form. Most of these type of craft have a real hard image which is attractive to us alpha males. That just seems boxy...and in a bad way. Not my taste but some of the others were very nice indeed!
The Beneteau trawlers are IMHO, better looking! (and I know they are different quality)
Cheers
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Wow,
That must be function over form. Most of these type of craft have a real hard image which is attractive to us alpha males. That just seems boxy...and in a bad way. Not my taste but some of the others were very nice indeed!
The Beneteau trawlers are IMHO, better looking! (and I know they are different quality)
Cheers
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MapisM
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That must be function over form.
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Sometimes, an ugly appearance must be even part of the project specs for these boats...
Take the 74' Calafuria for example: it is easily the ugliest of the lot, but I heard nothing but praises about her seaworthiness.
They could probably improve the overall look without big effort - I guess they just didn't want to.
PS: if anyone thought it wasn't that ugly in the first pic, just see below...!
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That must be function over form.
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Sometimes, an ugly appearance must be even part of the project specs for these boats...
Take the 74' Calafuria for example: it is easily the ugliest of the lot, but I heard nothing but praises about her seaworthiness.
They could probably improve the overall look without big effort - I guess they just didn't want to.
PS: if anyone thought it wasn't that ugly in the first pic, just see below...!
Nautical
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Here is something which ....ahem, might make it to these shores next season /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Beautifully built and as tough as nails, 21knts with single 450 Cummins or 2500 nm at 8 knts, lots of accomodation and living spaces, a real little ship with a turn of speed when needed.
Here is something which ....ahem, might make it to these shores next season /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Beautifully built and as tough as nails, 21knts with single 450 Cummins or 2500 nm at 8 knts, lots of accomodation and living spaces, a real little ship with a turn of speed when needed.
MapisM
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lots of accomodation and living spaces
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Besides, that's usually a solution contributing to an awful appearance of the boat.
Do you have any port view drawings by chance?
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lots of accomodation and living spaces
[/ QUOTE ]Hmm... I'm not a fan of wide living spaces when they're obtained at the expense of one walkaround passage.
Besides, that's usually a solution contributing to an awful appearance of the boat.
Do you have any port view drawings by chance?
KCook
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For steep swell I'd take the Sessa over the "21 kt" little ship ...
For steep swell I'd take the Sessa over the "21 kt" little ship ...
Nautical
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Always happy to oblige /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif, here she is in build, not a lot of choice really if you want livaboard space on a 42' hull, aka Nordhavn
Always happy to oblige /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif, here she is in build, not a lot of choice really if you want livaboard space on a 42' hull, aka Nordhavn
Nautical
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pends where and what you are doing, middle of the atlantic i'd rather be on the 42 than a sessa in a storm ten /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
pends where and what you are doing, middle of the atlantic i'd rather be on the 42 than a sessa in a storm ten /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
BrendanS
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Why?
Why?
Nautical
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cus its about twice the weight, massive layup, SD, big thumper cummins main, duplicate and triplicate of most machinery and systems, water tight bulkheads, storm screens etc, stabilized, cat A , sessa is a good boat but not exactly designed for survival conditions.
cus its about twice the weight, massive layup, SD, big thumper cummins main, duplicate and triplicate of most machinery and systems, water tight bulkheads, storm screens etc, stabilized, cat A , sessa is a good boat but not exactly designed for survival conditions.
BrendanS
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Doing well, but more info would be good
Doing well, but more info would be good
MapisM
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I must admit that it doesn't look as ugly as some other "wide body" trawlers.
My concerns are also on the functionality, though: maneuvering fenders, lines, etc. is obviously not as quick and practical as with walkaround on both sides.
But overall, it does seem an interesting boat. C'mon, tell us, who/where is building it?...
I must admit that it doesn't look as ugly as some other "wide body" trawlers.
My concerns are also on the functionality, though: maneuvering fenders, lines, etc. is obviously not as quick and practical as with walkaround on both sides.
But overall, it does seem an interesting boat. C'mon, tell us, who/where is building it?...
Sundays_Child
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Looks like the little sister to this, Trev,
http://www.yardway.com.hk/marine/solo/solo58/solo58.htm
21 knots from a single 450? Surely not?!?!?
Nice looking boat. Prettier than an equivalent Selene.
Looks like the little sister to this, Trev,
http://www.yardway.com.hk/marine/solo/solo58/solo58.htm
21 knots from a single 450? Surely not?!?!?
Nice looking boat. Prettier than an equivalent Selene.
MapisM
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Well, as long as the sea conditions are acceptable for cruising at 20+ kts, yes, probably a sportcruiser is at least as good as any "tougher" boat, or even better.
The real difference is when the sea simply doesn't allow you to cruise above 8-10 kts.
In those conditions, the only way to really appreciate why any heavy, stabilized D or SD hull is better than planing hulls of similar size is to give it a try. Theorical explanations are just a waste of time.
Well, as long as the sea conditions are acceptable for cruising at 20+ kts, yes, probably a sportcruiser is at least as good as any "tougher" boat, or even better.
The real difference is when the sea simply doesn't allow you to cruise above 8-10 kts.
In those conditions, the only way to really appreciate why any heavy, stabilized D or SD hull is better than planing hulls of similar size is to give it a try. Theorical explanations are just a waste of time.