New Sealine Shapes

[Deleted User YDKXO]

er hum.. puts on hard hat on and adjusts straps on kevlar body armour..

I was just looking at the pics of boat show threads and saw one of the new small sealines with the new shapes....now i can see what they are trying to do (contemporary design etc of which i am a great fan of in cars, houses and all other things) but ....try as i might... I just cant "like" them.! They look ok (just) when they are on there own but put them next to a "traditional" boat with sexy swoopy lines and curves and...well i just cant ...sorry.

Is it time for a pipe and slippers?

Its the interiors that I can't get on with although Sealine are not the only manufacturer who are designing interiors in the same style. They try too hard to look like poncy minimalist boutique hotel rooms and end up looking like an Ikea catalogue. All sharp edges and shouty veneers. Maybe I'm old fashioned but I like a boat interior to look comfortable and welcoming

 

[benjenbav]

I find this thread very interesting as I remember walking down the pontoon at SIBS 2007, seeing the SC35 and thinking 'oh my god what have they done', and then last Saturday I placed an order for one.

Fantastic. Do tell some more...

 

[petem]

The SC35 at SIBS was hull number 210

Means nothing. There are always plenty of gaps in the hull numbers.

Pete

 

[petem]

Me too Martin. And I too like uber contemprorary stuff and have house etc furnished that way - much more contemporary than the Sealines in fact.

Own up JFM, it's the meatballs that you like isn't it!!!

 

[[2068]]

Means nothing. There are always plenty of gaps in the hull numbers.Pete

Means something with Sealines! I would admit that not all manufacturers use sequential hull numbers.
At the time they were announcing "150 Sold" Hull number 152 (or thereabouts) was on display. Allowing for one or two that get dropped or come out of the mould in three pieces, hull number minus two or three = boats sold.

 

[AdeOlly]

Not sure why there's a at the F42's beam. There are many advantages to having a fat boat. More interior volume for the same length, more deck and flybridge area for the same length, lower berthing costs compared to longer/leaner boats, less rolling at anchor and less rolling in a beam sea.
As for beamy boats riding worse than narrower ones, I dont buy that either. There's a lot more to how a boat rides than simply it's beam. A beamy boat can have just as deep a V as a less beamy boat and other factors such as weight distribution, trim and chine design can affect the ride as well. I suppose the proof of the pudding is in the eating. According to this month's MBM, the Sq41 isn't as good a sea boat as the F42

There was an as it's the beamiest by quite some margin. I do agree that the proof is in the eating; beam is just one aspect of hull design and the reviews have been very favourable, but then aren't they nearly always

A few years back MBM did some handling tests with a variety of boats with Steve Curtis as driver and I seem to remember the uber slim Windy Grand Mistral 37 came out on top. That's one slim boat for its length and I doubt that was a coincidence. Of course handling is just one aspect, and SWMBO says that boat is cramped compared to the SC35, which it is, but I'd sooner have the Windy as I'm a bit of a petrolhead; SWMBO wants the SC35, and she'd obviously win if the SC35 was in our current budget.

I'd love to see back to back reviews of all the boats referred to in this thread in some challenging conditions, like a good south westerly F6 through the Solent against the ebb so it's nice and lumpy and all confused. Ideally that stretch just west of Cowes where it always cuts up badly. That'd answer this handling question once and for all. Come on MBM!!

 

[Moody]

Hull Number

Means nothing. There are always plenty of gaps in the hull numbers.

Pete

Mine is due out of the factory towards the end of October and will be hull number 218, so I would guess that the hull numbers are pretty sequential

 

[MapisM]

That'd answer this handling question once and for all. Come on MBM!!

I doubt that a magazine would be interested in answering ANY question once and for all.
What could they write in the following issue?...

 

[Moody]

Fantastic. Do tell some more...

Actually it was Sunday not Saturday, but I had consumed a fair bit of their wine during the process, so I can be excused.

Went to SIBS on Friday to thin down the shortlist pending the sale of our boat, the shorlist was

Beneteau Flyer 38
Sessa C38
Bavaria 38 Hardtop
Jeanneau 390S
Jeanneau Leader 11

On Saturday the sale of our Gobbi 425 moved rather quicker than we expected, and we did a deal with a promise of the money in the bank on Monday. With this in mind we went back to the show on Sunday with a view to getting closer to a decision on the final two as previously mentioned, my opening gambit being ''let me make it clear that I'm not placing an order today''. Famous last words eh.

The deal from Ancasta South Coast on their impending and unsold stock boat (which was our exact spec) soon started to look very attractive (maybe something to do with the wine) but of course was subject to a deal on the day. Anyway a bit more horse trading and out came SWMBO's switch card for a rather hefty holding deposit.

Sea trial is booked for tomorrow on a customer boat, and then all being well back to the show to pay the balance and sample some of their champagne.

This will be our 5th boat, but the first new one so the experience is all new territory to us

Neil

 

[martin]

very sweeping

Geez, that's a sweeping generalisation, if I've ever seen one.
Surely you would have confirmed your summary if the new Sealines had been made and branded by S/skr?
From an aesthetic viewpoint, I'd rather helm than sh*g one of their bigger yachts... 'nuff said!

yes it is a sweeping generalisation a bit like a blondes vs brunettes discussion.. just a bit of fun.

 

[martin]

Fantastic..good luck with the new boat

Sea trial is booked for tomorrow on a customer boat, and then all being well back to the show to pay the balance and sample some of their champagne.

This will be our 5th boat, but the first new one so the experience is all new territory to us

Neil

I may not be a fan of the looks but i still think they are good boats I bought a brand new F33 many years ago..so they must have something!

 

[petem]

Means something with Sealines! I would admit that not all manufacturers use sequential hull numbers.
At the time they were announcing "150 Sold" Hull number 152 (or thereabouts) was on display. Allowing for one or two that get dropped or come out of the mould in three pieces, hull number minus two or three = boats sold.

Mmmm. I stand corrected.

Pete

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

I'd love to see back to back reviews of all the boats referred to in this thread in some challenging conditions, like a good south westerly F6 through the Solent against the ebb so it's nice and lumpy and all confused. Ideally that stretch just west of Cowes where it always cuts up badly. That'd answer this handling question once and for all. Come on MBM!!

Yes, boat tests would be much more informative if they were able to run group tests. The excuse is that they can't get all the boats together at the same time from the manufacturers but I bet a few owners would be happy to put their boats up for comparative testing. Some years ago, I think it was MBY who ran a few group tests in conjunction with European boating mags. That maybe is a way of getting some boats together and defraying some of the costs

 

[Richie]

my opening gambit being ''let me make it clear that I'm not placing an order today''. Famous last words eh.

Heh heh reminds me of buying our S28 stock boat from Ancasta Port Hamble at the start of the year and an hour later I was handing over the switch card. Ancasta must have some half decent salesmen.

Good luck with the purchase. An SC35 would certainly top of my list if I ever get the chance to upgrade. I've always liked the looks as it's a bit different. But then I used to love my Impreza I had a few years back and that wouldn't have won any beauty contests. As they say, it's in the eye of the beholder!

 

[rubberduck]

Look like caravans on the water IMHO. Running away now

 

[Jethro]

looking at buying a 2008 model SC35, what do you guys think of them? what should we look out for? and what are you experiences with the boat like?

Thanks

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

Actually it was Sunday not Saturday, but I had consumed a fair bit of their wine during the process, so I can be excused.

Went to SIBS on Friday to thin down the shortlist pending the sale of our boat, the shorlist was

Beneteau Flyer 38
Sessa C38
Bavaria 38 Hardtop
Jeanneau 390S
Jeanneau Leader 11

On Saturday the sale of our Gobbi 425 moved rather quicker than we expected, and we did a deal with a promise of the money in the bank on Monday. With this in mind we went back to the show on Sunday with a view to getting closer to a decision on the final two as previously mentioned, my opening gambit being ''let me make it clear that I'm not placing an order today''. Famous last words eh.

The deal from Ancasta South Coast on their impending and unsold stock boat (which was our exact spec) soon started to look very attractive (maybe something to do with the wine) but of course was subject to a deal on the day. Anyway a bit more horse trading and out came SWMBO's switch card for a rather hefty holding deposit.

Sea trial is booked for tomorrow on a customer boat, and then all being well back to the show to pay the balance and sample some of their champagne.

This will be our 5th boat, but the first new one so the experience is all new territory to us

Neil

So you left the Gobbi family and going smaller. No Absolute 40 or Atlantis 40 in that list
That 425SC has a very good hull, renowned by many as one of the best in its class. It is infact used for the Abs 45 (Gobbi&Maggi own Abs) which is also said by many helmsman to be one of the best sterndrive sport cruisers of its size!
Surely my favorite would have been the Sessa 38 for handling, and finishing. Runs a lot better to the Sealine. Buy may be also the most expensive.
While the SC35 has a Michael Peters hull it runs very high for my taste, which is something I dont like much.

I saw the video of the F42 and with it alone I can say it runs quite neat! You can tell a lot of things by some videos (depends how they are filmed), as you do when you see a boat running by how it can run, and as Mike F puts it beam is not so important.
A Bertram 54 was beamy 5.16 meters (16.9ft) in its time and also today for its size, and as today is still considered among the best running boat in this size which puts the shame some slimmer hulls. The 54 had a medium vee aft of 18 degrees, and entrance of 50 plus. If you see Bernard Olenski hulls after mid eighties you see a lot of similarities of this Dave Napier designed hull!
Still without pun intended few have a so good exceptional ride to the Bertram 54.
Another wide for its time and super sea worthy hull is Magnums 53 Maltese designed by Walt Walters. 4.80 meters (15.7ft) of beam for a boat measuring 58 feet over all. I am sure it can put all planning mono hulls to shame in any kind of water.
The Cigarette 32 Cary which was slim and fast and won a couple of Class 1 championships is a very dangerous hull for its spinning out craze, which in fact killed a couple of renownd drivers in its time.

East to say slim equals better, but the truth of hull design is far from being so simple.

 

[[2068]]

I am feeling guilty about returning to my old ways of upsetting some sensitive forum members.

Oy, don't go all "hurt puppy" on me now.

It's not that other people are over sensitive, it's your posting style that is causing the problem. There's a big difference between stating your opinions - e.g. "I don't like the styling", or "I had a go in one in a F4 and hated it" would be fair enough, but it's a long leap to then go on and describe a boat you have never been on in-motion as "it will still be 'storm bound' in a GF4 in Yarmouth along with the other bricks".

I'm very interested in opinions from people that have actually helmed one. The only negative comment I have heard from a delivery skipper about the SC35 is that the helm doesn't suit very short people, because the bow appears to run quite high (mainly due to the shape of the deck), so visibility over the bow from a seated position isn't great until you are going quite quickly with the bow trimmed right down. Wearing high heels would solve this

 

[Moody]

So you left the Gobbi family and going smaller. No Absolute 40 or Atlantis 40 in that list
That 425SC has a very good hull, renowned by many as one of the best in its class. It is infact used for the Abs 45 (Gobbi&Maggi own Abs) which is also said by many helmsman to be one of the best sterndrive sport cruisers of its size!
Surely my favorite would have been the Sessa 38 for handling, and finishing. Runs a lot better to the Sealine. Buy may be also the most expensive.

Yes, had to be hardtop(ish) and new or nearly new, so price ruled out the same size boat. Sessa is a lovely boat but would have come out at least £50k more than the Sealine, and I would really liked to have considered the Absolute and Atlantis but neither were exhibited at SIBS.

When you say the Gobbi has a really good hull you may be right but I've never had such a wet ride, and that's one of the main reasons for change.

 

[[2068]]

I would say the Sessa C38 is the most obvious competition for the SC35. I looked at both at SIBS: both were lovely, but the exchange rate makes the £50k premium very difficult to justify.

Ideally, you'd have a back-to-back "test drive" on the same day!