New Sealine Shapes

[PowerYachtBlog]

Trimming it is the trick of the 425, they need a bit of bow up and mostly closed tabs apart head seas. I handle one in 3 metre waves and know what it is.
With following u need tabs all closed, and stern drive in nearly to a straight configuration +1 or 0. The only thing the 425 needs a bow down is a head sea of some size.
The SC35 want be so wet but the ride will be a bit more bumpy altough that Michael Peters hull is good. The Atlantis 40 has also an MP hull.

You know a hull designer once said, that the trim tabs are like the gearbox of a car. Would you drive a car without that? I know some ladies would LOL

 

[oldgit]

Old people will remember all the fuss about the Ford Sierra being launched in 1982 !

 

[JohnRob]

I'm not sure about the styling, but then to my eye the Princess 42 is now starting to look very nineties/noughties and the Squadron has a better attempt at style but doesn't quite get there. They are all making different statements and great to have a choice..,

I was a bit bemused by the beam/length issue. I am convinced a hull's behaviour is much more down to overall hull dynamics. Take a couple of quick comparisons -

Fairline Turbo 36 - often held to be a superb seaboat for its time and still would hold its own - Beam 34% of loa
Botnia Targa 27 - the magic carpet ride - Beam 36% of loa
Sealine 42 - beam 34% of loa

Those were the first two I picked and couldn't be ar5ed to look any further.

To my eyes the 42 looks a much better effort than the 46. And there seems to me to be so much good about it, I can probably forgive the bad. What will be a shame is if the quality of finishes is not ok (and I'm not talking Rothschild boardroom, here; just decent quality finishes that will stand the test of time) - but magnetic catches? they have got to be kidding!

 

[DAKA]

"it will still be 'storm bound' in a GF4 in Yarmouth along with the other bricks".

Criticism accepted, I should not have posted that .

I have a lot of respect for most of the sealine range.

I have personal opinions regarding the new F42 , I should have kept them to myself.

"puppy dog"

 

[[2068]]

Pope Benedict says that 3 Our Fathers and 2 Hail Mary's should put you back on-track.

 

[Powersalt]

still think a boat should look like a boat and be pleasing to the eye!!!

 

[sundancer9000]

lost all dignity

looks like a heap of **** and is coloured to match

 

[Gelmaster]

#When Bayliner bought Sealine out a few years ago...
Brunswick group bought Sealine.
Bayliner are part of Brunswick group.
Sealine are also part of Brunswick group.
Bayliner did not buy out Sealine

#Sealines used to have respect as a comfortable sea boat, Bayliners slam.
Read the test reports!
SC35 / SC38 / F42 etc. are getting good writeups on sea performance, probably due to the involvement of Ocke Mannerfelt on hull designs. He hasn't worked on any Bayliners, as far as I know

Yes, Brunswick Liesure Corporation "American", Well known for the majority of skittle ally"s in this country.
Also own SeaRay, 10 times bigger than Sealine.
Unfortunately, due to American mis-management,Sealine have halved turnover and ceased building new models!

 

[oldgit]

Really !

Sealine have halved turnover and ceased building new models!

O buggar seemed to have missed this valuable piece of insider info,any thing else you may care to share with us ?.

 

[Gelmaster]

Sealine have halved turnover and ceased building new models!

O buggar seemed to have missed this valuable piece of insider info,any thing else you may care to share with us ?.

I worked for sealine from 1985 to 2008!
Have seen all the changes.
I think Red tape & burocracy tested the patience of the original founders...who may i add, were a class act!!
Unfortunately, they sold up.
A businessman named Gerard Wainwright took over!
He was like a politician/Genius rolled into one!! Seemed like a nice guy!
Owned Sealine for approx 4 to 5 years, then sold up to Brunswick for an EXTREMELY healthy profit.

Sadly, it all went down hill very, very fast.
Polish guys (no disrespect, hard workers), seemed to replace all or most of the shopfloor,highly skilled staff.
This very quickly led to far too much warranty work on our boats leaving the factory. Even our dealers got fed up!!
They also tried to get extreme with the last couple of designs
which sadly didnt take off!
Anyway, since the American company took over, I saw the workforce drop from approx 800 to around 400 in its final hours.
They are still building boats from exhisting moulds, but sadly have closed down the R&D unit where we used to turn out two new, or re-vamped models each year.
That was the unit i worked in!!

 

[jfm]

Gerard Wainwright ... Owned Sealine for approx 4 to 5 years, then sold up to Brunswick for an EXTREMELY healthy profit.

GW didn't "own" Sealine. It was principally owned by an investment fund managed by Bridgepoint (a London private equity firm), so its owners were the 100 or so pension funds, banks, HNWs etc who invested in that fund. GW had a small minority shareholding only

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Gelmaster, they seemed to have introduced a lot of new models recently without having a R & D dept. How have they done that? Which 'existing moulds' have the new F46 and F42 come from? They appear to be much beamier than any previous Sealine model and have a significantly different hull shape. Also, every UK boat builder has had to make massive cuts to their workforce over the last 2-3 yrs in response to the market crashing so Sealine are not alone in that and by all accounts some of their 'extreme' designs like the SC35 have done very well

 

[Gelmaster]

GW didn't "own" Sealine. It was principally owned by an investment fund managed by Bridgepoint (a London private equity firm), so its owners were the 100 or so pension funds, banks, HNWs etc who invested in that fund. GW had a small minority shareholding only

Fair comment!
He was the main director for approx 5 years though.
He ran the business very well, ensuring a profitable turnover.
One hell of a business man.
Old values you see,
There is no substitute for experience...was his philosophy, in reference to the workforce!
I wasnt that aware of his financial standing.
Ime certain if he was still at the helm, Sealine would still be thriving!!
So, in my book...He owned it !!!

 

[Gelmaster]

Gelmaster, they seemed to have introduced a lot of new models recently without having a R & D dept. How have they done that? Which 'existing moulds' have the new F46 and F42 come from? They appear to be much beamier than any previous Sealine model and have a significantly different hull shape. Also, every UK boat builder has had to make massive cuts to their workforce over the last 2-3 yrs in response to the market crashing so Sealine are not alone in that and by all accounts some of their 'extreme' designs like the SC35 have done very well

Its all trickery with numbers.
I worked on the build of the SC35 and F42/46.
I love the SC35, but never took to the last model..F42/46 we built.
Found the sides too flat and upright. Reminded me of an oversized inland boat (not that i have anything against inland boats).
The F42/45 is an old model!
Trust me, my friend still works there, and there are no new models being built at present.
A lot of new models launched are simply re-vamps of exhisting mouldings.
Hopefully, in the near future, Sealine will strive to make new models and capture the European Market for Brunswick and all concerned!
If you look at all previous Sealine models, you will notice that the F42/46 is radically different.
I aint no Ludite, i welcome innovation, I hate the F42/46. Sorry.
I also know they struggled to sell it compared to previous models, and dont believe for a second that the blame lies with the State of the Economy!

 

[kid's inheritance]

If you look at all previous Sealine models, you will notice that the F42/46 is radically different.
I aint no Ludite, i welcome innovation, I hate the F42/46. Sorry.
I also know they struggled to sell it compared to previous models, and dont believe for a second that the blame lies with the State of the Economy!

I have ordered boat number 22 of the F46 so I make that £11,000,000 retail sales from launch.In the worst recession in probably 80 years.I wouldn't complain for sales like that.When I asked for 2 weeks delay to allow the skipper to pick out the furnishings , I got pushed down the build list which suggests the order pad is healthy too
regards
rob

 

[Gelmaster]

I have ordered boat number 22 of the F46 so I make that £11,000,000 retail sales from launch.In the worst recession in probably 80 years.I wouldn't complain for sales like that.When I asked for 2 weeks delay to allow the skipper to pick out the furnishings , I got pushed down the build list which suggests the order pad is healthy too
regards
rob

Genuinely sorry,

I am not trying to offend anyone.
Its personal choice at the end of the day!
The F46 is still derived from the same hull and deck mould as the F42!
This was launched 2 years ago.
The director for boat sales(Brunswick) Jim Myers, kept to his word... Sealine wont be building any new models until sales are up!!!
Not too sure i should be saying all of this!

PS Another reason for sealine waiting lists, is the lack of staff onsite !!

 

[PEJ]

Hands up those of you who have been on an F42 and driven it on the water?

<PEJ puts his hand up and waits to see who else does>

It handles just like my SC38 only much quieter, in fact at 6knts it was like sailing, I could bearly hear the engine. I had to look at the rev counter to check they were still going.

Very smooth through the water and very sporty handling too.

They tell me the wait is now until December 2011. Twelve boats ordered at the So'ton show. They are hoping to start another production line to bring the wait time down. That ties is with Gelmaster's comment about staff onsite currently.

 

[Gelmaster]

Hands up those of you who have been on an F42 and driven it on the water?

<PEJ puts his hand up and waits to see who else does>

It handles just like my SC38 only much quieter, in fact at 6knts it was like sailing, I could bearly hear the engine. I had to look at the rev counter to check they were still going.

Very smooth through the water and very sporty handling too.

They tell me the wait is now until December 2011. Twelve boats ordered at the So'ton show. They are hoping to start another production line to bring the wait time down. That ties is with Gelmaster's comment about staff onsite currently.

Thankyou PEJ

Not trying to rattle any cages, but seem to have succeeded, unfortunately!

Just telling it as it is. Sealine used to be a thriving industry !
The company used to be about 20% admin and office staff, the rest shopfloor,
but when i left, it was 50/50.

It seemed like it was any old excuse to invent a position for desk jobs, whereas more attention was desperately needed on the practical side.

I once heard a member of management quote.....
OMG, We will be the first company with a full order book to go bust!!

Another major reason for their struggle !!!

 

[jfm]

I have ordered boat number 22 of the F46

The first one was in the water June 2009 iirc and assuming your delivery is say January 2011 (?) that's 22 in 18months. Nothing wrong with that fact so far as your boat is concerned but 15/year in the 46 foot category is not a roaring sales success and i suspect Sealine will be disapppointed with that

As I say that's neither here nor there so far as your boat is concerned. Hope the build and delivery all go well

 

[Moody]

I Have

Hands up those of you who have been on an F42 and driven it on the water?

I drove it on Saturday and I have to say I was blown away. Like you say so smooth and quiet, at 25kts we were having a normal conversation on the flybridge, and as for the handling, it felt superb, but then I'd never driven a flybridge before.