New Sealine Shapes

[martin]

er hum.. puts on hard hat on and adjusts straps on kevlar body armour..

I was just looking at the pics of boat show threads and saw one of the new small sealines with the new shapes....now i can see what they are trying to do (contemporary design etc of which i am a great fan of in cars, houses and all other things) but ....try as i might... I just cant "like" them.! They look ok (just) when they are on there own but put them next to a "traditional" boat with sexy swoopy lines and curves and...well i just cant ...sorry.

Is it time for a pipe and slippers?

 

[neale]

Is it time for a pipe and slippers?

Possibly I think the design grows on you, and as much as I didn't like them when I first saw them, I now think other boats look old fashioned in comparison.

Once you get on board you appreciate what the designs give in terms of usable interior space. The SC35 and new F42 are a couple of good examples.

 

[jfm]

er hum.. puts on hard hat on and adjusts straps on kevlar body armour..

I was just looking at the pics of boat show threads and saw one of the new small sealines with the new shapes....now i can see what they are trying to do (contemporary design etc of which i am a great fan of in cars, houses and all other things) but ....try as i might... I just cant "like" them.! They look ok (just) when they are on there own but put them next to a "traditional" boat with sexy swoopy lines and curves and...well i just cant ...sorry.

Is it time for a pipe and slippers?

Me too Martin. And I too like uber contemprorary stuff and have house etc furnished that way - much more contemporary than the Sealines in fact. But I think the exterior lines on the Sealine F42 and F46 flybridge are all wrong.

 

[[2068]]

The F42 has incredible "presence". The effect is akin to that of looking at a Range Rover: not exactly pretty, but you have to keep looking to take it all in.

In some ways, it reminds me of the way I felt when I saw a Fairline 36 Turbo for the first time many years ago. You have the feeling that you are looking at the future, whether you like it or not.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

The future....
Very big words for the Fairline 36 Turbo, while it was succesful in its days, today and a decade more earlier to this represents a type of boats the aft cabin cruiser which is nearly finished.
Few survivors of this race are the Dutch Atlantic, Linnsen, Pearl, the now defunct Broom and semi dead Trader...
Fair to say Fairline planned a heritage model to the 36T with the 43 Phantom Aft Cabin, which apparenlty was a total failure to them in sales numbers. Some say less to 20, and others less to 10.

The future from the past where surely some other boats to this, but may be for that we would need another post!

 

[DAKA]

I was just looking at the pics of boat show threads and saw one of the new small sealines with the new shapes....now i can see what they are trying to do (contemporary design etc of which i am a great fan of in cars, houses and all other things) but ....try as i might... I just cant "like" them.! They look ok (just) when they are on there own but put them next to a "traditional" boat with sexy swoopy lines and curves and...well i just cant ...sorry.

When you study closely the difference between the Old (80's) design and the modified one you will spot the Bow, basically chopped two feet off the end (more noticeable in the flesh than this shot from slightly above) which doesnt really do much, thats almost £1000 a year berthing fees, take your choice , pay for looks that you cant see when you are in it anyway or own an ugly boat.

When Bayliner bought Sealine out a few years ago it was feared Sealine would loose their identity , you can make up your own mind which way the designers are heading.

Sealines used to have respect as a comfortable sea boat, Bayliners slam.

The 'New' F42 in keeping with the Bayliner tradition has a wide beam and I fail to see how this can give a comfortable ride in a head sea especially with a bit chopped off the bow..

 

[[2068]]

#When Bayliner bought Sealine out a few years ago...
Brunswick group bought Sealine.
Bayliner are part of Brunswick group.
Sealine are also part of Brunswick group.
Bayliner did not buy out Sealine

#Sealines used to have respect as a comfortable sea boat, Bayliners slam.
Read the test reports!
SC35 / SC38 / F42 etc. are getting good writeups on sea performance, probably due to the involvement of Ocke Mannerfelt on hull designs. He hasn't worked on any Bayliners, as far as I know

 

[DAKA]

#When Bayliner bought Sealine out a few years ago...
Brunswick group bought Sealine.
Bayliner are part of Brunswick group.
Sealine are also part of Brunswick group.
Bayliner did not buy out Sealine

#Sealines used to have respect as a comfortable sea boat, Bayliners slam.
Read the test reports!
SC35 / SC38 / F42 etc. are getting good writeups on sea performance, probably due to the involvement of Ocke Mannerfelt on hull designs. He hasn't worked on any Bayliners, as far as I know

We'll see when the 'launch advertising' revenue starts to dwindle .

A brick isnt a good sea keeping shape, it doesnt matter who designs it , it will still be 'storm bound' in a GF4 in Yarmouth along with the other bricks !


EDIT

Anyone thinking of buying one of these bricks shouldnt be put off by my ill informed post, there are others on this thread who have greater knowledge than I do, you should be far more concerned about the IPS drives.

 

[PowerYachtBlog]

SC35 and SC47 are made by Michael Peters to my knowledge.
F42 is made by Ocke Mannerfelt.

#When Bayliner bought Sealine out a few years ago...
Brunswick group bought Sealine.
Bayliner are part of Brunswick group.
Sealine are also part of Brunswick group.
Bayliner did not buy out Sealine

#Sealines used to have respect as a comfortable sea boat, Bayliners slam.
Read the test reports!
SC35 / SC38 / F42 etc. are getting good writeups on sea performance, probably due to the involvement of Ocke Mannerfelt on hull designs. He hasn't worked on any Bayliners, as far as I know

 

[[2068]]

We'll see when the 'launch advertising' revenue starts to dwindle

The SC35 at SIBS was hull number 210

It's sales of the more conservative boats that are dwindling.
How many boats did Broom build last year. Was it six? Or seven?

There seems to be a disconnect between the boats that people would want in an ideal world (and the characteristics thereof), and the boats that people actually end up buying. The Windy Maestro 40 is lovely. 39kts in most conditions. So, let's price it up. Errm, £380k. Oh Dear... How much was that Sealine again?

 

[AdeOlly]

We'll see when the 'launch advertising' revenue starts to dwindle .

A brick isnt a good sea keeping shape, it doesnt matter who designs it , it will still be 'storm bound' in a GF4 in Yarmouth along with the other bricks !


EDIT

Anyone thinking of buying one of these bricks shouldnt be put off by my ill informed post, there are others on this thread who have greater knowledge than I do, you should be far more concerned about the IPS drives.

Hmmm......

Princess 360 LOA = 12.00m beam = 3.84m
Sealine SC35 LOA = 11.11m beam=3.77m
Sealine F42/5 LOA 13.67m beam = 4.21m
Squaddie 41 LOA = 12.94m beam = 4.22m
Sealine F42 LOA = 12.90m beam = 4.48m

No denying that the F42 is very beamy for it's length..... and the SC35 is all but the same as a Princess 360

SC35 as I remember from the tests has a deep vee hull and rides very well at the expense of mediocre fuel economy, despite its beam. At least that's what MBM said so it must be true

 

[DAKA]

Hmmm......

Princess 360 LOA = 12.00m beam = 3.84m
Sealine SC35 LOA = 11.11m beam=3.77m
Sealine F42/5 LOA 13.67m beam = 4.21m
Squaddie 41 LOA = 12.94m beam = 4.22m
Sealine F42 LOA = 12.90m beam = 4.48m

No denying that the F42 is very beamy for it's length..... and the SC35 is all but the same as a Princess 360

SC35 as I remember from the tests has a deep vee hull and rides very well at the expense of mediocre fuel economy, despite its beam. At least that's what MBM said so it must be true

I was just going on the comment made to me by the salesmen as I looked around the F42 at the boat show, silly me for taking it at face value.

I have already qualified my posts above and do so again for anyone who missed it , and in plain English no one should take any notice of my posts today , if you want to put to sea in a brick/ Bayliner/ Sealine/Brunswick Hybrid of the three, that is propelled by Volvo penta IPS drive then that is your choice .

 

[AdeOlly]

I was just going on the comment made to me by the salesmen as I looked around the F42 at the boat show, silly me for taking it at face value.

I have already qualified my posts above and do so again for anyone who missed it , and in plain English no one should take any notice of my posts today , if you want to put to sea in a brick/ Bayliner/ Sealine/Brunswick Hybrid of the three, that is propelled by Volvo penta IPS drive then that is your choice .

Erm, I was sort of agreeing with your post about the F42, and also SC35, being very beamy compared to some others..... or have I lost the complex plot somewhere, in which case I'll go and get my coat

 

[DAKA]

I am feeling guilty about returning to my old ways of upsetting some sensitive forum members.
This is a thread I wish I hadnt got involved in.
I have just looked to see how I could edit out .

Anyone thinking of buying one really should go and have a look for themselves and not be put off by my prejudice.

They truly are beautiful inside.

 

[martin]

Shoot, S**g or Marry

Hi All,

Just to clarify, I wasnt commenting on the merits of the hull, beam, ride, IPS or price..those are whole new set of considerations.

Simply put...do you.... er..."fancy em" bit like a game of shoot, sh*g or marry

So for me..

Sealine - Shoot
Sunseeker - Sh*g
Princess - Marry

 

[benjenbav]

basically chopped two feet off the end (more noticeable in the flesh than this shot from slightly above) which doesnt really do much, thats almost £1000 a year berthing fees

Geez. Where do you berth at £500 per foot per annum?

 

[Moody]

Just Bought One

Possibly I think the design grows on you, and as much as I didn't like them when I first saw them, I now think other boats look old fashioned in comparison.

QUOTE]

I find this thread very interesting as I remember walking down the pontoon at SIBS 2007, seeing the SC35 and thinking 'oh my god what have they done', and then last Saturday I placed an order for one.

Don't get me wrong I think there are better looking boats out there, most of which I can't afford, and in fact the shortlist of two consisted of the Sealine and the new Beneteau Flyer 38. On looks I would have bought the Beneteau, but for price, spec, and internal volume it just had to be the SC35. Some think it's an ugly boat, but I just consider it different and maybe not as sleek as others.

 

[AdeOlly]

Hi All,

Just to clarify, I wasnt commenting on the merits of the hull, beam, ride, IPS or price..those are whole new set of considerations.

Simply put...do you.... er..."fancy em" bit like a game of shoot, sh*g or marry

So for me..

Sealine - Shoot
Sunseeker - Sh*g
Princess - Marry

Well as the Princess 42 is the slimmest of all with a mere 4.14m beam for LOA of 13.48m, she'd be a good choice to marry, and no pods to deal with either

 

[MapisM]

So for me..

Sealine - Shoot
Sunseeker - Sh*g
Princess - Marry

Geez, that's a sweeping generalisation, if I've ever seen one.
Surely you would have confirmed your summary if the new Sealines had been made and branded by S/skr?
From an aesthetic viewpoint, I'd rather helm than sh*g one of their bigger yachts... 'nuff said!

 

[Deleted User YDKXO]

Hmmm......

Princess 360 LOA = 12.00m beam = 3.84m
Sealine SC35 LOA = 11.11m beam=3.77m
Sealine F42/5 LOA 13.67m beam = 4.21m
Squaddie 41 LOA = 12.94m beam = 4.22m
Sealine F42 LOA = 12.90m beam = 4.48m

No denying that the F42 is very beamy for it's length..... and the SC35 is all but the same as a Princess 360

SC35 as I remember from the tests has a deep vee hull and rides very well at the expense of mediocre fuel economy, despite its beam. At least that's what MBM said so it must be true

Not sure why there's a at the F42's beam. There are many advantages to having a fat boat. More interior volume for the same length, more deck and flybridge area for the same length, lower berthing costs compared to longer/leaner boats, less rolling at anchor and less rolling in a beam sea.
As for beamy boats riding worse than narrower ones, I dont buy that either. There's a lot more to how a boat rides than simply it's beam. A beamy boat can have just as deep a V as a less beamy boat and other factors such as weight distribution, trim and chine design can affect the ride as well. I suppose the proof of the pudding is in the eating. According to this month's MBM, the Sq41 isn't as good a sea boat as the F42