New purchase agreed - Surveyor Recommendations in SoF please

[markc]

Hi

After a few years without a boat I have agreed to buy a Ferretti in SoF. Having done all my boating in the UK for the past 20 years I could do with some advice on a surveyor in SoF. I really only need the hull & underwater gear checked and sea trial plus a mechanical check on the engines, ideally by an MTU agent. So any recommendations would be really appreciated,

Thanks to Whitelighter, Deleted User, MapisM and Portofino for various good advice on the journey so far via PM

The boat will stay in the SoF on its current mooring on the CdA, so a new adventure with our young family awaits, subject to survey of course!

Cheers
Mark

 

[rafiki_]

I don't have personal experience, but others have taken a well respected Brit surveyor for this job.

 

[Whitelighter]

Congrats mark.

As Paul says, I flew a trusted surveyor and engineer out from the uk. Cost was about the same as a local SoF surveyor and this way I knew they didn't already have a relationship with either the broker or the owner.

 

[MapisM]

Congrats mark.

+1 for good, and all the very best for the completion.

Since you mention MTU, it can't be a 53, and I suppose it's either a 150 or a 165 you eventually went for?
Either way, great boats, arguably built in the best Ferretti years ever. I'm sure you'll love her! :encouragement:

 

[markc]

+1 for good, and all the very best for the completion.

Since you mention MTU, it can't be a 53, and I suppose it's either a 150 or a 165 you eventually went for?
Either way, great boats, arguably built in the best Ferretti years ever. I'm sure you'll love her! :encouragement:

thanks! It was VERY nearly a 53, but a late 165 came up with low hours and a full engines out W5 overhaul and very well spec'd, so that topped the list. Time will tell after the survey, but I have looked through a very comprehensive history so hoping that all will be well.

Cheers

 

[NYboater]

Last year, at the recommendation of EME, we hired Derek Levy to do a survey on a new build. We were very pleased. He splits his time between Brighton and Cannes.

Best of luck

 

[jfm]

Derek is excellent. He has worked on my projects for many years. I saw him last week in Antibes.
(NYBoater, it might have been me as well as/rather than EME but no worries. Derek gave me a quick update - many congratulations on your project)

Best of luck and congratulations markc. This is becoming quite a ferretti forum :encouragement:

 

[Portofino]

Mark -congrats
You don,t want the expense of hiring a guy to tell you a stanchion base screw has some corrosion ,or a cabin light bulb is the wrong W (still works ) etc

For local Mech stuff ,which is what you are specifically asking ?
And from the the SH ,which you have then I would be inclined to ask these guys to give the mech stuff a once over
http://www.yacht-engine-service.com/pages/maintenance-english.php

Where will it be initially berthed ? If you don,t mind my asking ?

 

[MapisM]

It was VERY nearly a 53, but a late 165 came up with low hours and a full engines out W5 overhaul and very well spec'd, so that topped the list.

Great choice sir!
I really like the early Zuccon-designed Ferrettis, with their typical "motion at rest" design. So much so, that the (very close!) runner-up in my final choice has been a F175.
Mind, nothing wrong with the 53 (atrocious batteries accessibility aside), which in fact has been their most successful boat ever. But imho, the earlier 165 was even better in many ways.
First of all, in spite of her name reminding a sort of equivalence with the 53, she's significantly larger, being built upon the very same hull afterwards used for the 57.
And compared to the 57, the no-nonsense cheekless design astern allows for an even larger tender.
Besides, the 165 was afaik the last of their mainstream boats built to Yacht/C Malta Cross specs and BV certified. I'd have that rather than CE/RCD any day.
Looking fwd to hearing about the seatrial results (she's supposed to reach about 30kts @ 2400, afaik), and also to some pics! :encouragement:

 

[MapisM]

I would be inclined to ask these guys to give the mech stuff a once over
http://www.yacht-engine-service.com/pages/maintenance-english.php

L, I know nothing about these folks, but I only see the MAN logo on their webpage.
Now, while the V8 MTU model (183TE93) used for the 165 is based on the very same Daimler block of the MAN V8, the marinization was quite different.
Somewhat better in the MTU, I have to say. And I'm saying this after having bought a MAN V8 powered boat, as you know...
Anyway, what I'm trying to say is that I'd rather have an authorized MTU guy to check those engines - and the more white hairs he has, the better.
ZERO computer knowledge required, here - just proper traditional mechanic experience!

 

[Hurricane]

I will be looking for a good MTU engineer for next year to help me with a big service.
Someone who will travel to mainland Spain.
I was originally thinking of employing MTU direct but if there is an MTU guy out there who knows the CR2000 it may be better than an engineer from Barcelona who doesn't speak much English.

So, if you find someone with these qualifications whilst you are doing your survey, please let me know.

 

[petem]

In my limited experience, having a local guy is a positive rather than a negative. In our recent aborted purchase the date for the sea trial was postponed at short notice so all he was able to do was an ut of the water inspection. Even then there ws a mix up with the keys so he was only able to examine the exterior. Then there was the sea trial and remainder of the survey which was visit number two. Finally, there would have been visit number three to ensure that repairs had been carried out satisfactorily. Plus there's the potential for the surveyor to get a bit of local knowledged regarding the boat and provise other contacts. All of his would have been a lot harder for a UK based guy.

 

[petem]

Mark -congrats
You don,t want the expense of hiring a guy to tell you a stanchion base screw has some corrosion ,or a cabin light bulb is the wrong W (still works ) etc

I think a surveyor does a little more than that Porto!

 

[BartW]

congrats with the new boat, whish you good luck and lots of fun on her.
at the time, we had the 185 on our list, same style but slightly bigger.

apropos nothing,
while browsing pictures of a F165 MTU, to learn about your new boat,
I came across this picture taken in Croatia,
and guess what,

this is us in the background,

details such as:
chrome framing around the flybridge windscreen (not standard on a Canados70s)
the open transom door (there is no door on a standard C70s)
and the twin dome on the radar arche
and "one" ball fender with grey cover hanging outside
give it away,

the hilo platform is not there, but I asume it is submerged as it is very often when guests are swimming..

the place is Sunj beach on the Island Lopud,
the only sand beach in Dubrovnik region

ta
(sorry for OT)

 

[BartW]

oh yes,
one more vote for Derek Levy,
worked with him for coding the boat,
can confirm good experience

 

[MapisM]

while browsing pictures of a F165 MTU, to learn about your new boat, I came across this picture taken in Croatia

I know that boat! Did you like the saloon upholstery?

 

[BartW]

I know that boat! Did you like the saloon upholstery?

from that feretti you mean ?
actually it was the saloon upholstery that put me off from that F185 at that time

 

[Whitelighter]

Is that the turquoise blue one?

 

[MapisM]

LOL, are you already looking at something bigger, J?
Yep, I believe she is. Beautifully maintained boat btw, in spite of her almost 3k hours clocked, IIRC.

@ BartW: compared to the 165 and 175, the 185 was actually a different animal in many ways - not yet designed by Zuccon, in fact.
Not sure about what was wrong with the upholstery of the one you considered, but the F185 is nowhere near a Canados 70 anyway, generally speaking!
Though her twin winches/anchors setup is nice, I must say.

 

[Whitelighter]

Nah, I'm perfectly happy with the 150. Bigger would just generate problems without giving me much extra.
The only reason I'd go bigger was if I got a 4th cabin and realisticly that means 65ft plus which is too big.

I just remember the boat from my searching a couple of years ago. Does look super tidy but what they were theyvthinkingvwith that upholstery colour?????