New guy asking your opinion

[Norman_E]

Survey completed. Please don't try and get any more regulations foisted on to sailors, we are an independent bunch, and mostly responsible people, and we value our freedom to sail as we please. There are far too few freedoms left in this increasingly regulated world for us to afford the loss of any more.

 

[capnsensible]

Survey completed. Please don't try and get any more regulations foisted on to sailors, we are an independent bunch, and mostly responsible people, and we value our freedom to sail as we please. There are far too few freedoms left in this increasingly regulated world for us to afford the loss of any more.

You are not free to sail as you please. You have a duty of care towards your crew and other craft. If you cock up, the boogey man will get you (MCA).

 

[Norman_E]

You are not free to sail as you please. You have a duty of care towards your crew and other craft. If you cock up, the boogey man will get you (MCA).

That is quite enough. We don't need compulsory and probably expensive professional lifejacket servicing, or compulsory wearing of them.

 

[Tomahawk]

Are you correlating the number of life raft deployments against servicing evidence and certification to identify how many lives will be saved if there is mandatory servicing?

 

[viago]

should this survey prove instrumental in establishing mandatory lj servicing, i wonder what the current regime at the rnli would do in a situation where the person in distress was non compliant with the regs?
join hands with the mca in court proceedings i dare say.

 

[Daydream believer]

Survey completed. Please don't try and get any more regulations foisted on to sailors, we are an independent bunch, and mostly responsible people, and we value our freedom to sail as we please. There are far too few freedoms left in this increasingly regulated world for us to afford the loss of any more.

Probably a bit off thread but:-
Not so sure about the " mostly responsible" bit. I would like to think I am, ---but watching others who also seem to think they are just has me a bit worried.
The actions of many has to be seen to be believed. That is why some authorities would like to to make lifejacket wearing & other parts of sailing mandatory ( certs of competence etc etc)

But I do agree that the last thing I want are want any more regulations - for me at least!!

 

[Tomahawk]

You are running the boat on a tight budget.
You have no choice but to service the lifaraft... otherwise you can get prosecuted
So you can't replace the stqnding rigging..

Which breaks and causes the mast to come down, puncturing a hole in the hull and you are sinking..
but you have a liferaft...

To the morons in government departments that is a plus, A successful deployment of a serviced liferaft.
However, to any sailor... it is a disaster.... Loss of boat and danger to life st sea that should have never happened.

 

[Robert Wilson]

Survey completed. Please don't try and get any more regulations foisted on to sailors, we are an independent bunch, and mostly responsible people, and we value our freedom to sail as we please. There are far too few freedoms left in this increasingly regulated world for us to afford the loss of any more.

I concur, wholeheartedly.
And I agree with Cap'nsensible that we have a duty of care. But it's "minefield" to decide where and when the "duty-point" is. Common-sense may not be a legal defence.
I fear that it won't be long before a plethora of regulations, laws, bye-laws and general interfering are dumped on the recreational sailing/boating community.

And survey done.

 

[david_bagshaw]

done

 

[charles_reed]

I look forward to seeing the statistical results (in detail as I don't trust "impressions" and would prefer to do my own regression analysis).

More law is bad law, in any walk of life, leading to contempt of all law and, finally, anarchy.
The major drawback of the EU (IMHO) is the unending output of edict - they should be forced to rescind two for every one they churn out.

 

[Daydream believer]

You are running the boat on a tight budget.
You have no choice but to service the lifaraft... otherwise you can get prosecuted
So you can't replace the stqnding rigging..

Which breaks and causes the mast to come down, puncturing a hole in the hull and you are sinking..
but you have a liferaft...

To the morons in government departments that is a plus, A successful deployment of a serviced liferaft.
However, to any sailor... it is a disaster.... Loss of boat and danger to life st sea that should have never happened.

Like anything you do you should at least consider if you can afford it first
I often have people looking for a mooring, they have just bought a boat ( to sail the world or whatever!!!) & find that they cannot afford the mooring or the upkeep on it so the whole episode ends up as a mess . All because they did not think first

(i hasten to add before someone gets annoyed) That is not to say that anyone with limited budget is not entitled to have a boat but lets be honest if they go into it blindly & cannot afford it then perhaps they should not have started in the first place. there are always options for people wanting to sail from owning flash ocean racers to the occasional crewing job or buying a dinghy. Plus not having the pressure of cost can make it a far more enjoyable experience

So with all due respect, i think your comment - whilst trying to make a point, actually misses it

 

[dancingwithmoons]

survey completed

 

[martyn78]

+1

 

[chewi]

+1

 

[Sailingsaves]

Interesting _ researching life jacket servicing.

The bit an owner cannot do is determine the integrity of the bladder and glue I would imagine. (Will the bladder burst if it has aged for example?) Will the glue fail at a seam if it is old?

Does the professional have equipment that can determine this? What is it. I cannot imagine them doing expensive x-ray or the like analysis.

An observation of mine is that the newer jackets with the little green bits of plastic that lock the manual lever into position are expensive, break easily (compared to older lifejackets that I have been investigating - the newer green ones have a thin bit of plastic at two points - the older red plastic pieces were same thickness -and therefore strength - throughout ). Not a worry at sea, but if you break the tag accidentally when servicing your own lifejacket it is a blooming expensive bit of plastic (and very poorly designed compared to those on older jackets - a step backwards for sure).

Do let us know anything interesting if you are able. And have fun _ i worked myself stupid at uni and it didn't help much. I have never been good at balancing things properly.

 

[Daydream believer]

Interesting _ researching life jacket servicing.

The bit an owner cannot do is determine the integrity of the bladder and glue I would imagine. (Will the bladder burst if it has aged for example?) Will the glue fail at a seam if it is old?

You can test it, but you have to use an old cylinder & just pull the cord. It is handy if you actually put it on & try it, as i did with the wife - see earlier post- you do not have to jump in the ogin (but our efforts to get her to strip off & get in the bath failed !!! I think it must have had something to do with 2 males & a video camera being present)

On ours the bit that comes round the chin inflated with such force it gave her a sore chin ( the seam scraped her & left a red mark) & pushed her head back in a sort of whiplash moment. I have since wondered if at that point one might gasp for air & actually inhale water

 

[Sailingsaves]

Really good point.

I paid £60 for a £300+RRP super dooper lj - old stock but brand new.

It had the special asymmetric bladders to turn you onto your back. Hood, bells and whistles.

I put it on and inflated it by hand pump (co2 too expensive to waste) and BOY was it rough and tight at the neck.

I reckon you are right about choking when inflated to full pressure by canister.

It was certainly uncomfortable to the point that I will not be using it.

 

[robertt]

+1

 

[WalshamUK]

Any more responses would be a huge help! Thanks

And another one done/

Keith

 

[Seashoreman]

I done one too. However I don't own a liferaft, a rapidly inflated inflateable will do me.