New Fairline Squadron 53

henryf said:
Not through lack of trying at the Boat Shows when they used to exhibit in the UK I never managed to get inside one to judge. The sales prevention team were hard at work keeping people like me out. Possibly that's why they went out of business, who knows?

Henry :)
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You must be thinking about Fairline, Henry. Ferretti have never gone out of business. And I don't recall their UK dealers ever having an exhibition gatekeeper system. Again you must be thinking about Fairline
 
rafiki_ said:
F/l don't need to invest in the VR kit or capability. They can rent it when they need to.
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Like McLaren and their wind tunnel I believe they would have to own it. Product evaluation isn't done on a specific day it's done organically over a period of months. Designers need to be able to wander round at the drop of a hat and discuss things with everyone from the Chairman to the customer with all parties able to fully comprehend the concept.

Good design is organic and often happens over a period of time. My understanding is that the recently launched Princess 49 flybridge existed in mock up form for the thick end of a year with constant meetings, discussions and tweaks taking place.

If it costs you a chunk of money every time you want to walk around your design and you have to travel out to a specific location you are going to limit the amount of time and number of people who experience it. Moments of genius can sometimes come from the most unlikely of sources.

So to answer my original question how much will a VR suite cost to do the job properly?

Henry :)
 
henryf said:
Like McLaren and their wind tunnel I believe they would have to own it. Product evaluation isn't done on a specific day it's done organically over a period of months. Designers need to be able to wander round at the drop of a hat and discuss things with everyone from the Chairman to the customer with all parties able to fully comprehend the concept.

Good design is organic and often happens over a period of time. My understanding is that the recently launched Princess 49 flybridge existed in mock up form for the thick end of a year with constant meetings, discussions and tweaks taking place.

If it costs you a chunk of money every time you want to walk around your design and you have to travel out to a specific location you are going to limit the amount of time and number of people who experience it. Moments of genius can sometimes come from the most unlikely of sources.

So to answer my original question how much will a VR suite cost to do the job properly?

Henry :)
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F/L will do most of the design in 3-D. They then have the option of using our VR suite, which is less than an hour from their HQ. They can use it when they need, and spread the cost across many users. We do the same for people like JLR. It doesn't appear to be hurting them :D
 
rafiki_ said:
F/L will do most of the design in 3-D. They then have the option of using our VR suite, which is less than an hour from their HQ. They can use it when they need, and spread the cost across many users. We do the same for people like JLR. It doesn't appear to be hurting them :D
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I think cars are very different to boats though when it comes to interiors. Occupants are fixed in position and ergonomic models highly evolved so you know what is and isn't possible. All you're really looking at are finishes and fine detail inside. Outside you just want to see what it looks like in 3D as you walk around, perfect for VR.

Try having a bunk up in different cars, then you start to appreciate the problems faced by boat designers. The occupants are moving around and interacting with each other as well as their environment.

JLR are indeed doing ok. So I would argue are Princess when it comes to interior space and design. Within the UK builders they are leagues ahead of the competition. Could those mock ups have something to do with it?

Henry :)
 
Sunseeker also make complete plywood mock ups for their boats - the new 52 exists in this form and has done for several months.

That said it expensive. It will be interesting to see if Paul's tech works as well as its a cost efficient solution.
 
British beauty..

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In case anyone missed any of the other updates today, Fairline have realeased the latest renderings for the Squadron 53.

Notice the return of the ‘Fairline Fins’ to the chrome side window surround. Foredeck seating and sunpads, massive flybridge with twin helm seats as standard or triple helm seats as an option. 3 & 4 cabin layouts, galley up aft or fwd, or galley down. Single crew. I dare say they'll even bung in an chain stopper too if you ask them nicely.





Full height master cabin...



Also available in white :).

I think Mancini has done an absolutely superb job and I really hope this boat brings new Fairline the success they deserve. If anyone is tempted, then my advice would be to get in quick to avoid a lengthy delay.

Pete
 
My "advice "would be sea trial 1st ------

But if it's a floating appartment -ie poor manners ,slams etc ,--then spend £1M or there abouts on that -appartment -bricks n mortar !
 
petem said:
Same hull as the Targa 53 so you could sea trial that to get a feel for the boat! Go on Porto, you know it makes sense :).
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Got a picky other 1/2 - she ,s poo pooed the new SS hat fifty -something -- says its top heavey -too tall , Poo pooed the Riva Rivale 52 -poor ride -slams too much ,
That F/L will fit into our berth (which we like ) --- bit we spend a Lot of time at the sea /bath platform /cockpit -interface and would like a big sun pad at the stern .
We like sunbathing at the stern where you can hear /see , and be near the ones in the sea .
It all depends how you use your boat .

Any how best wishes to F/L it looks nice ,it's not a minger .
 
Portofino said:
Got a picky other 1/2 - she ,s poo pooed the new SS hat fifty -something -- says its top heavey -too tall , Poo pooed the Riva Rivale 52 -poor ride -slams too much ,
That F/L will fit into our berth (which we like ) --- bit we spend a Lot of time at the sea /bath platform /cockpit -interface and would like a big sun pad at the stern .
We like sunbathing at the stern where you can hear /see , and be near the ones in the sea .
It all depends how you use your boat .

Any how best wishes to F/L it looks nice ,it's not a minger .
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But a 53 OPEN or wait for the 63 GTO then!
 
Looks like a winner to me but very odd cockpit design. Do you really have to walk around the bathing platform to get to the s/b side deck? Also can't see whether a galley up arrangement is available?
 
As Pete says, these are still renderings, not pics, so still some artistic license. Detail like deck access will be delivered by the Dutch architects and Andy Pope.
 
Portofino said:
Got a picky other 1/2 - she ,s poo pooed the new SS hat fifty -something -- says its top heavey -too tall , Poo pooed the Riva Rivale 52 -poor ride -slams too much ,
That F/L will fit into our berth (which we like ) --- bit we spend a Lot of time at the sea /bath platform /cockpit -interface and would like a big sun pad at the stern .
We like sunbathing at the stern where you can hear /see , and be near the ones in the sea.
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Your requirements scream Itama 54 as the most obvious upgrade - in your boots, I wouldn't waste time looking at anything else!
 
petem said:
Looks like they've gone for a single gate to allow L shaped seating to s/b in the cockpit.
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Actually, it seems to me that there is a (narrow) transom gate also on stbd side.
At a guess, for easier handling of bow lines in Med mooring - which makes sense.
But restricting the direct access to stbd walkaround from the cockpit (as it appears from the drawing) is a very odd idea indeed, as Deleted User pointed out.
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It's a tough sector to break into export wise .
There's always gonna be few Brits ,loyal Brits beating a path to Oundle .
Home market kinda tough too with folks at Poole and Plymouth fighting for that same loyal Brit ,or Brits I hope !

I don,t think there's a enough today left ,which leaves our EU "friends "

With our poor climate and relative ease and cost to get to the Med a whole demo graph of buyers has shifted to the Med .
For the Med take a look at a typical competitor -Cranchi E56 -note the rear sun pad ,access to sea and front sun pad + sun shade .I even think its got a tender garage ( crew in the bow )
http://pdf.nauticexpo.com/pdf/cranchi/e-56-f-evolution/20142-96869.html#open
Also economically ,build wise wise ,looks like a slick facility (they have invested in tech ) and it's at the waters edge .
There are in to trawlers too have been for a few years ,so have somthing to peddle @the so called "Eco" brigade .

At Cannes it's one of the busiest stands .Although not my bag a fifty something FB I do recognise how popular the are and how tough it is selling them .
 
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