New Cranchi Zaffiro 34 Owner

[FloridaCranchi34]

I'm the new owner of a 1997 Cranchi Zaffiro 34 that was a one owner boat on a fresh water lake. I now have it on the Gulf Coast of Florida. It has 150 hours on the KAD42PAs and being new to boat ownership and since it's a rare boat for the US, I thought I'd seek assistance on this forum as they are much more common in Europe.

While I received many of the original documents for the boat, I do not have anything like an owners manual for it. I have many electrical schematics in Italian but nothing that helps with operation, switchgear, etc. Does anyone have this electronically if it exists? I have many years of experience with gasoline engines and 5.9 liter Cummins diesels in automotive applications and while I'm new to boating I'm not new to wrenching.

I do have all the manuals for the engines and the drives, but I think they may be some peculiarities special to the Cranchi installation of them. The boat was also winterized due to the cold snap we had this past December. While I had the engines de winterized, I'm doing the other systems myself.

I also currently have a mystery pump that is mounted on the starboard side forward engine bay bulkhead. It has about a 1" clear hose attached to it on the intake side and about 3 feet of the same home on the output but I cannot find what it should be attached to. What is the function of this pump?

Additionally, directly above this pump is what I think is an electrical master switch of some sort that has a red key that fits it. I found the red key in the bilge. The boat currently will not accept shore power but will fully power all circuits on batter power. Next to this box is a two breaker switch of some kind behind a weather shield. Does this need to be aligned in order to get shore power online?

Thanks in advance!

 

[tico]

Alt.... Where are you?

 

[nicho]

Alt.... Where are you?

Gulf Coast of Florida, he says.

 

[vas]

@alt is the resident cranchi owner/expert in mobo forum, hence tico's call

to the OP, welcome I guess alt will see it soon and contribute.

cheers

V.

 

[stelican]

Welcome.
Can help a little.
The pump with the hose is for use to collect fluids spilt in the engine bay( it is a part of the European "CE" certification)
Maybe The red key is to isolate the supply to the anchor winch or to parallel the engine and domestic batterys for starting if engine batterys are low on power.

 

[FloridaCranchi34]

Welcome.
Can help a little.
The pump with the hose is for use to collect fluids spilt in the engine bay( it is a part of the European "CE" certification)
Maybe The red key is to isolate the supply to the anchor winch or to parallel the engine and domestic batterys for starting if engine batterys are low on power.

So like a little vacuum cleaner for the bilge? I was wondering if it was the macerator pump for the black water tank. I found it strange that the hose for it was coiled up laying on the bottom of the bilge by the steering reservoir.

 

[FloridaCranchi34]

So like a little vacuum cleaner for the bilge? I was wondering if it was the macerator pump for the black water tank. I found it strange that the hose for it was coiled up laying on the bottom of the bilge by the steering reservoir.

Ok, found the macerator pump on a spar back by the starboard engine...where does this discharge and how is it turned on? Is there a Y valve anywhere on this boat? I've been looking but I've been unsuccessful in finding it if it exists.

Under the clear cover is an on/off switch and a push to actuate switch...is this what controls the CE pump? Where does the CE pump discharge?

The connection of the shore power cable causes the large GFCI in the main panel for the pier to trip...I have no AC loads turned on. As you can imagine, this made me very popular amongst the other boat owners...but now I know how to reset the main pier panel. Bad shore power cable?

 

[stelican]

So like a little vacuum cleaner for the bilge? I was wondering if it was the macerator pump for the black water tank. I found it strange that the hose for it was coiled up laying on the bottom of the bilge by the steering reservoir.

So end of the discharge pipe is put into a container for disposal
Sorry cannot answer your other questions but momentarily operate the switch and listen.

 

[Seastoke]

First thing is , are you sure it is set up for 110v shore power as eu 230v .

 

[FloridaCranchi34]

Will do. I'm starting to think my other issue is due to a bad cord and a very sensitive GFCI on the pier panel. I'll report back.

 

[alt]

Hi there, used to have a Zaffiro 34 (and took care of 2 friends Zaffiro 34's) and now own a Smeraldo 37.

I've been over 10 years since I owned a Zaffiro 34 (As I have had my Smeraldo 37 just over 10 years now).

A great boat, you'll love it! Mine was a 2003 so may be slight differences, although mainly cosmetic.

My memory will be hazy, but if I can help.. shout.

As mentioned, the pump you mention is a bog standard water-pump. It discharges out the side of the boat via skin fitting. It is designed for cleaning up spills etc. - As an example, I wash down my engine bay every year (it's completely oil free) and I use this pump to suck out the majority of the soapy water and then use a DeWalt wetvac to get the last few drops.

 

[alt]

Ok, found the macerator pump on a spar back by the starboard engine...where does this discharge and how is it turned on? Is there a Y valve anywhere on this boat? I've been looking but I've been unsuccessful in finding it if it exists.

Under the clear cover is an on/off switch and a push to actuate switch...is this what controls the CE pump? Where does the CE pump discharge?

The connection of the shore power cable causes the large GFCI in the main panel for the pier to trip...I have no AC loads turned on. As you can imagine, this made me very popular amongst the other boat owners...but now I know how to reset the main pier panel. Bad shore power cable?

My Zaffiro 34 didn't have a holding tank, but my Smeraldo 37 does... This *may* help

Y valve under the cabin floor (the hatch just outside the heads door). Holding tank itself is under one of the beds in the rear cabin. Macerator is next to the tank.

The discharge for this on mine is under the bathing platform but as i'm on a fresh water lake, this doesn't get used. Instead, I have a portable pump that I attach to the deck discharge and use a long hose to empty it at our local discharge point.

 

[FloridaCranchi34]

The layouts between the two boats are generally the same so I'll take a look.

I know the shower sump pump is in that hatch right outside the head door so I'll look there too.

I'm going to add some photos with certain things circled and perhaps you or someone else can ID them.

Cable did not trip the panel if not connected to the boat.

Boat shows no AC power available at the control panel in the cabin. Started the generator, got AC power on the panel, generator handled all AC and DC loads.

Is there an external power monitor or a second invertor somewhere that handles the shore power?

Thanks a million.

 

[FloridaCranchi34]

Also, what does the red key that looks like a battery shutoff on the forward engine bay bulkhead control?

 

[alt]

Also, what does the red key that looks like a battery shutoff on the forward engine bay bulkhead control?

No such thing existed on any Zaffiro i've owned / worked on

 

[alt]

I know the shower sump pump is in that hatch right outside the head door so I'll look there too.

Yes, the Y Valve is there in mine, along with the shower sump (which i've long since removed and replace with a 'gulper' pump... no more blockages)

 

[FloridaCranchi34]

This is the electrical panel on the forward bulkhead of the engine bay with the key inserted.

This is the switchgear right next to it. I've begun to think that it's perhaps the switch for the macerator pump that pumps overboard...the USCG probably requires a key or something to energize the pump


This seems to be the CE pump mentioned. Inlet end of the hose is pictured at the bottom. discharge runs back through the bulkhead and I'm guessing overboard. Where is the switch for it?



What is this wrench for? It doesn't fit any fuel, oil or sea water strainer that I can find.



Is this an electric switch for a bilge pump? There's another on the port side symmetrically in the same place, also with it's wire clipped and connected to nothing.

And this is the boat...

What model of Gulper did you use? My shower sump pump also needs to be replaced.

 

[ChromeDome]

Just a general hint for Italian (or other) language assistance, way better than Google Translate:

www.deepl.com

Found the below 124 pages manual by searching this forum with Google assistance (search for site:.forums.ybw.com "Cranchi")

Not identical but same family:
OneDrive

 

[vas]

Cable did not trip the panel if not connected to the boat.

Boat shows no AC power available at the control panel in the cabin. Started the generator, got AC power on the panel, generator handled all AC and DC loads.

Is there an external power monitor or a second invertor somewhere that handles the shore power?

Thanks a million.

some comments based on general el. experience and not related to the cranchi:

if generator runs all loads without issues within the boat, it's obvs that the problem lays between the pillar and the switch (if there is one!) that handles the shorepower vs generator powering of the craft.
I'd start from the easier, check the shorepower cable, plugging it only on dock side only tells us that the three wires are most likely not shorted between them, nothing more.
So need to check each of the three, then I'd open up the socket where it fits on the boat and check for dirt/dump/whatnot that could possibly lead to activating the breaker on the dockside.

Before going any further, I'd try to also:

• either plug the boat in another dock line
• borrow another shorepower cable from a fellow boater in your marina and check it out (or use your shorecable in another boat and see if it trips that pillar)

It may well be an issue of the cable or the pillar.

I give you 95% chances of figuring out what's wrong by these steps.

cheers

V.

 

[FloridaCranchi34]

Just a general hint for Italian (or other) language assistance, way better than Google Translate:

www.deepl.com

Found the below 124 pages manual by searching this forum with Google assistance (search for site:.forums.ybw.com "Cranchi")

Not identical but same family:
OneDrive

Thank you so much!