New Boat, Swedish Delta "Yacht" - anyone got any info? Jack?

newWave said:
It is actually more like 88 foot at 25.88m.
The Princess 88 is about 700.000 Euro cheaper and is 1m longer.

All provided I got all the details straight from various sources that is and that there are some price differences depending on how the Euro is doing atm.
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Fair enough. Interesting to see that the P88 is 22t heavier despite having a similar LOA and beam. I guess that's mostly down to the carbon hull. It will be interesting to hear about jfm's assessment of the hull construction given the failures that have occurred in the past with carbon fibre constructed components on boats
 
good stuff
This is one of the few "modern styling" boats that I like, very much actually,
I'm more a classic design lover, but this is finally a interesting "modern"design

a tripple engine config, that would be a firm no go for me, many known arguments....
if the boat is designed around pod drive, why not consider the more professional ZF pod drive coupled to a twin cat or any other more "pro" engine ?
theoretically there are advantages of pod drives compared to shafts, (re big modern yachts and cruise ships)

the hull shape that is a interesting one,
I'm intrigued by this shape sinds a while,
as found on Greenline, Monte Carlo 50, Swift Trawler, AZ Magellano range, and some others, .....
all more or less similar, with a focus on efficiency / low consumption
usually they are in the SD to P range, but here they are really in a high speed P range.
anybody knows more about the principles / differences compared to older planing boat designs ?

yes, defo a really interesting plan / thread / project
 
The new Delta have been getting quite a lot attention here in Sweden since it´s launch. First buyer is Swedish according to the yard. Boat no 2 is already in build. It is exenpensive for it´s size but i don´t think you can compare it to for example the PRincess 88 without taking things like it´s built almost completly in carbon fiber, customisation etc into account. I think the boat look great and would be even more nice with a few modifications. Styling is very scandinavian and maybe not to everyones liking. Actually i don´t now how much is changeable in the interior.
As for JFM as a customer i think it would be great both for him and the yard. It´s Deltas first attempt in this higher league and i think they would be very happy to get such a experienced customer as JFM onboard.
 
I have been awaiting the Delta eagerly, but at that price I would rather consider the Wally Ace (great master) and the Navetta 26 as I am not wowwed by the first internal pics.

Although the Rolls-Royce Azipull pod drives, which can have variable speed props, are only rated for 20-35Kn I wonder why no builders have considered them yet.
http://www.rolls-royce.com/marine/products/propulsors/azimuth_thrusters/azipull.jsp
 
newWave said:
at that price I would rather consider the Wally Ace (great master) and the Navetta 26 as I am not wowwed by the first internal pics.
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Do you mean the Ferretti Navetta?
Never mind the interiors (which I suppose could be customised), I'm quite surprised to hear that someone might compare the Ace and the Navetta with this Delta thing.
They are three radically different animals, I reckon?
 
I meant the Filippetti Navetta, sorry for the confusion.
All designs have features I like, wish I could combine them and build the perfect yacht, IMHO of course and impracticall as some features are mutual exclusive.
 
newWave said:
some features are mutual exclusive.
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Well, you can say that again. If a builder will ever be able to combine all the advantages of a displacement hull with the possibility to cruise at 30+ knots, we could as well expect them to multiply bread and fish.... :D
 
MapisM said:
Well, you can say that again. If a builder will ever be able to combine all the advantages of a displacement hull with the possibility to cruise at 30+ knots, we could as well expect them to multiply bread and fish.... :D
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Catamaran?
 
MapisM said:
Well, you can say that again. If a builder will ever be able to combine all the advantages of a displacement hull with the possibility to cruise at 30+ knots, we could as well expect them to multiply bread and fish.... :D
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I think that variable hull sections are the only avenue to enable such transitions. One shape for loitering gently along; press a button and out pop extending sections (similar to extending hydroplanes on subs) and away you go at WOT.
 
grumpyoldman said:
I have been aboard the 54 (son in law) and several of their smaller offerings both in sweden and the USA over the last number of years. They are a small firm but around for quite a while owned by three "nutters for design" into producing performance craft. If memory serves me correctly these are manufactured at the same facility as Swan yachts.
Their reputation for quality build is excellent, as are their sales judging by the number of vessels around (Quote son in law) and the number ive seen.
The designer is Lars Modin and construction all carbon fiber, ive been around and between the islands at frightening speeds to me (give the old fellow a heart attack) but the 54 handles like its on rails. the closest in build quality to me is Fairline (having owned one) leaves most other brands UK and Italian far behind (yes, ive owned italian) attention to detail is excellent as to the design - you like or hate it - these are built for day to day quick economic commuting between lots of islands year round in confined waters - however they are pricey
No personal ax to grind or interest in Delta would have a 54 here tomorrow but a bit too rich for my blood maybe when second hand hit the market in a couple of years.
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Thanks for that first hand scoop Grumpyoldman
 
newWave said:
From this video https://hamnenplay.solidtango.com/video/131007-delta-88-subtitles
Price is 5.2M Euro ex. VAT and has 3 IPS 1200 rated at 900hp ea.
Consumption 170l/h @ 20kn, 8.5l/Nm and 330l/h @ 30Kn 11l/Nm

It has seakeeper gyro stabilizer(s).
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Thanks for that info. Sheesh, yes, that's expensive. It's not handing over the £4 bar per se that is the issue/problem; it's that it might instantly be worth £3m. The boating equivalent of buying a Scaglieto or something. I view the economics of buying a boat as nothing to do with the price, but of the difference between what I'm being asked to pay and my estimate of the residual in 1, 2, 3 and 4 years time.
 
MapisM said:
Makes good sense. I'd rather not have fins, on such a fast vessel.
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Yup, the gyros might be the right choice at that speed. Would need some careful thought/analysis. I'd miss the never-run-out stabilisation of fins in really big bean seas, which is where gyros fail in my book, but obviously I wouldn't miss say 150hp of drag from fins at high speed :-/
 
sarabande said:
I think that variable hull sections are the only avenue to enable such transitions. One shape for loitering gently along; press a button and out pop extending sections (similar to extending hydroplanes on subs) and away you go at WOT.
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That is exactly what Pendennis's MITseaAH had, and for exactly that reason
 
Thanks for all the info and stuff everyone. @MapisM, yes I realised the height thing when stretching the flybridge forward - that part would need to be just a sun mattress, a la squadron 58 and many others. @Several others, don't worry about the interior because I'm confident they would/could change that. @Farsco, you are very perceptive: of course that's what I'd try to do!; If I used a south of France dealer they'd want e0.5m margin for doing relatively little.

Next stop BOOT in Dusseldorf then :-)
 
jfm said:
Thanks for all the info and stuff everyone. @MapisM, yes I realised the height thing when stretching the flybridge forward - that part would need to be just a sun mattress, a la squadron 58 and many others. @Several others, don't worry about the interior because I'm confident they would/could change that. @Farsco, you are very perceptive: of course that's what I'd try to do!; If I used a south of France dealer they'd want e0.5m margin for doing relatively little.

Next stop BOOT in Dusseldorf then :-)
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So when is JC getting the keys for M2? :)
 
I know it's more complex than just length but, at 26 metres with a plumb bow, wouldn't you need a ticket to captain her? I doubt it would be a problem for jfm to get one (if he hasn't already) but that would hit resale value I'd have thought.
 
grumpy_o_g said:
I know it's more complex than just length but, at 26 metres with a plumb bow, wouldn't you need a ticket to captain her? I doubt it would be a problem for jfm to get one (if he hasn't already) but that would hit resale value I'd have thought.
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There are loads of unknowns on this boat GoG and that's one of them. The stated LOA is 25.88m and so the plumb bow makes you worried about 24m LLL, but it looks to me like the anchor and the swim platform will take off >0.88m, and then you get there with the 96% factor ie the length you need to be less than is not 24m, it's 24/.96m = 25m.
 
jfm said:
IPS is not my first choice, but if the deck lifts easily, and bearing in mind they're tiny compared with big MAN/CAT/MTU stuff, you can in the final analysis just change the whole thing goddam. They're probably only £70grand a pop for a motor and 20 grand for a drive. Not the sort of bill you want, but not "write off the boat" time if they don't last like Cats (which are 2 million litres fuel per big overhaul, which is 100 years of my boating)
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Not being of pod drive persuasion regardless of colour, Volvo IPS units require vessel to be lifted for servicing making maintenance costs considerable on vessel of this size.

There is some evidence in U.S. that vessels with IPS have lower residuals due to ongoing drive costs.
 
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