New boat sellers doing themselves no favours

[Portofino]

They both cars in show rooms and boats at shows in my experience show all .No ambiguity.
Base price in a bigger font then a list of extras , various taxes , delivery, or commissioning in the boat world in a smaller font . Then the bottom line .

Yes I know it’s slightly annoying starring at a sea of number and small print * # _ etc .

But as others have said with cars you can go on a configurator AKA confuserator .

With boats enter dialogue with the sales team .

Reversing your point ( I think ? ) you are not paying for things you don’t want or see nil value by speccing it yourself.

 

[ST840]

I bought a brand new Parker 660 pilot house 6 years ago that was advertised for £45000, I got it for £35000 and even had the plotter upgraded in the price. Doubt that would be possible in todays market , but some discount off list price should be doable.

 

[Daydream believer]

When I bought my new boat it was perfectly useable for the price. On top of that I was given a fair discount. So i could have bought it in basic form for less than advertised. I decided to buy some extras that had to be built in at construction stage. Shower tray etc. The broker than suggested that some other stuff I wanted,ie Yeoman plotter, autopilot, navtex, etc could be purchased by me then their electrician would fit at £100 per item.

By the time I had added all the things I wanted by the end of the year - dinghy, liferaft, folding bikes etc I had added more than 50% to the price. But that was my choice. I did not need to do this & one would not necessarily expect a liferaft to be part of the package of a 31 ft yacht.

So I would not be surprised to be offered a base price on to which I would then build the boat I wanted to suit my needs.
I particularly wanted a cruising chute & additional foresail . Others may look at that differently & want an esbatcher heater & fridge, neither of which i chose. What is the manufacturer supposed to offer?

 

[jrudge]

Colin Chapman had the right idea back in the 1960s/70.
His Moonraker boats were turnkey and go, came complete with every thing you needed down to a mop and bucket,even in some cases a spare pair of props.
He also regarded a TV and Fridge as standard kit. Important to Mrs Boatbuyer, might just secure a sale.
Possible you can still get a " starter" Princess or Fairline for under £500k ?

Everybody has to start somewhere.

My father was a lotus dealer and maybe they should have included a few spare bits with the cars ! The income from repairing them served us well !

 

[petem]

Sorry, but this thread is just whinging.

For the older 200 model it is crystal clear what is standard and what is optional. The prices for the options are very clearly laid out on the website.

The 205 is a newer modal and the website clearly says "Are you considering the purchase of Saxdor 205? It will be soon available in our Build Your Boat configurator."

@Bigplumbs - stop being a drama queen!

 

[petem]

They both cars in show rooms and boats at shows in my experience show all .No ambiguity.
Base price in a bigger font then a list of extras , various taxes , delivery, or commissioning in the boat world in a smaller font . Then the bottom line .

Yes I know it’s slightly annoying starring at a sea of number and small print * # _ etc .

But as others have said with cars you can go on a configurator AKA confuserator .

With boats enter dialogue with the sales team .

Reversing your point ( I think ? ) you are not paying for things you don’t want or see nil value by speccing it yourself.

Not true. Saxdor, Axopar, etc all have configurators on their websites. Even Fairline do.

 

[Portofino]

Not true. Saxdor, Axopar, etc all have configurators on their websites. Even Fairline do.

What’s not true ?
I never said boats didn’t, just as others suggested when buying a boat unlike a car talk to the sales team and it seems there’s been some great reductions from posts thus far .

You would be a fool inho to armchair a boat spec .Face to face ( aka as negotiate ) wins hands down with boats .

With a porsche eg buying new your spec its difficult near impossible to not use the on line confuserator to get lock in a build slot , get a code reference no .

You can of course negotiate on stock in the show room sat there .Buts that’s not the same they are already built sitting there .

 

[stelican]

What’s not true ?
I never said boats didn’t, just as others suggested when buying a boat unlike a car talk to the sales team and it seems there’s been some great reductions from posts thus far .

You would be a fool inho to armchair a boat spec .Face to face ( aka as negotiate ) wins hands down with boats .

With a porsche eg buying new your spec its difficult near impossible to not use the on line confuserator to get lock in a build slot , get a code reference no .

You can of course negotiate on stock in the show room sat there .Buts that’s not the same they are already built sitting there .

Can you not sit in the Porsche showroom with the salesman and do the configuration live?

 

[Scapegoat]

Back in the mid nineties we were in Houston for a couple of years and bought a brand new 34’ Wellcraft “fully loaded”. They don’t mess about - it had twin engines, generator, AirCon included. Not even sure if there was an extras list.
Bit like the cars there - fully loaded on the lot ready to drive away.

 

[Bigplumbs]

If you look here this is how to do honest non misleading pricing. I have no affiliation to boatworld

Boatworld Boats | Inflatable & Sports Boats | Boatworld UK

 

[jointventureII]

Then of course there are the extras they don't even tell you about

-How much it costs to moor
-How much it costs to fuel
-How crappy the weather usually is so you can't use it anyway
-How many times things on board will break

 

[julians]

If you look here this is how to do honest non misleading pricing. I have no affiliation to boatworld

Boatworld Boats | Inflatable & Sports Boats | Boatworld UK

I dont think theres any dishonesty in what Saxdor are doing, the base model 200 can be bought for 26570 euro + vat (approx £28k inc vat and I presume there would be a delivery charge +import duty to be added on top). There are a whole load of extras you can add on to that to push the price up, but thats just like buying any highly customisable product. I think that price for the cheapest spec boat compares pretty favourably with the top end compass from boatworld, I know which I would rather have - it wouldnt be the compass!

I just priced up a saxdor 200 specced up how I would choose to have it , it came in at approx £54k , if you dont want to pay the price then buy something else ,like that compass, but the saxdor is in a different league to that compass .

If you want to be angry at someone for being misleading, it should be at the reviewers/you tubers that review the £54k version of the boat, but refer to it as a £32k boat in the headlines , and as a result set your expectations incorrectly - but again this is standard practice for almost anything these days.

 

[paradave]

So I am interested in buying a new boat for the first time ever. I would like the Saxdor 205 which various people suggest is £32k. Well after quite a lot of research this price is a total lie. The boat they show is never the one you can buy that is £32k. It is one with loads of extras that seems it would be more like £54k. Not the way to market a product.

I have the money to pay cash but this type of marketing has totally put me off and I have now stopped looking

SAXDOR 205 + MERCURY 100 XL CT L4 27 800,00 €
From their own website.

Everything else on top adds to it, inc buying it in the UK.

 

[bluetooth]

If you look here this is how to do honest non misleading pricing. I have no affiliation to boatworld

Boatworld Boats | Inflatable & Sports Boats | Boatworld UK

Whats the link with the "lies" in you reference. Be good to fully understand your point of view.

 

[Aardee]

And if the price quoted was "all in" you'd be moaning about paying for stuff you don't need

 

[petem]

And if the price quoted was "all in" you'd be moaning about paying for stuff you don't need

Exactly.

 

[oldgit]

My father was a lotus dealer and maybe they should have included a few spare bits with the cars ! The income from repairing them served us well !

Having owned (and adored ) just about everything they built up to the late 80s am well aware
Sold a Mk2 Elan for £600.00.

 

[[165042]]

Well that might be standard Practice but they have lost me as a Customer.

I'm sure they're very disappointed

 

[Tranona]

If you look here this is how to do honest non misleading pricing. I have no affiliation to boatworld

Boatworld Boats | Inflatable & Sports Boats | Boatworld UK

Fine for a simple boat like these to put together a simple boat/engine trailer package - but won't suit people who want a different engine and don't need a trailer. How do you work out whether their "package" is good value and meets your requirements?

You clearly have no experience of buying higher value more complex boats new where there are many choices of "extras". The way dealers and builders go about it is to establish a "base" specification then offer the buyer a whole range of choices, some of which in turn are packages - for example navigation equipment.

One of the big benefits of buying new is that you can "customise" to your needs and pocket, whereas buying used you are stuck with the previous owners' choices.

If, as you claim they are doing it wrong then they would have gone out of business years ago. They use this approach because it is what buyers want.

 

[Bigplumbs]

Whats the link with the "lies" in you reference. Be good to fully understand your point of view.

On the Boatworld website you can easily and at a glance see what you are getting for the Price... Not so on the other site