awol
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New Bendytoy 36 - I thought bows went the other way these days?
New Benjenbav - spot the difference
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johnalison
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I’m sure it will please some people but I don’t want to sit at the helm in the middle of the North Sea with only an inch of boat astern of me and that open, plus sailing with no forefoot and paying berthing fees for a black plastic bowsprit.
geem
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I saw an open stern yacht in Baiona a few days ago. They had jammed an inflatable paddleboard across the hole?
dom
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Ooooh, there's a lot more wrong with it than that!
IMHO they should be given away in Chinese fortune cookies!
Beneteau's market capitalisation may be over EUR1 billion but I bet that's in cheap plastic money too ?
Laminar Flow
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After having had a wave, apparently out of nowhere in the Straight of Gibraltar, slam into the stern of my 50' centre cockpit with such incredible force that it felt and sounded like a blow with a giant sledge hammer, I cannot imagine having an open stern. There must be cheaper options available to getting a salt water enema.
jordanbasset
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I believe the boat is from their club racing 'First' range, the Oceanis range is more suited for cruisers
pvb
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Yes, Beneteau call it a "racer-cruiser" - Beneteau First 36 - In the pursuit of the ultimate balance
The main promise of the sailing experience of the First 36 is planing in medium winds by short-handed or fully crewed teams while remaining an allround boat - a perfect club racer and a capable family cruiser.
"It's going to be much livelier and lighter than most of the boats you can buy. It bridges the gap between sport boats and family cruisers." - Giovanni Belgrano, Pure Design Engineering.
Ink
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Tranona
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But you would not (if you were sensible) be in that sort of situation in this sort of boat. The designer and builder are very clear about its purpose and there is no point in trying to show that it is not suitable for another purpose altogether - as just about all the critics here do.
Judge it against its aims - not against your preferences or even an imagined situation for which it was not intended.
awol
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I do hope that those with a sufficient pocket full of cash fully appreciate what the design aim was. Whether that is met is something else. Actual details of the boat seem to be hard to find.
Daydream believer
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Well don't buy one then
But if I was in the market for a quick circa 36 ft yacht i would certainly have a look. I like the idea of easy asymetric sailing on a purpose built bowsprit.The twin wheels & decent large easy to use cockpit is a benefit of modern designs over the cramped uncomfortable older cockpit layouts, often requiring trips to the mast. I bet that there will be quite a few with open chequebooks who will like it. Which is what matters. As Tranona commented. It is horses for courses & this will probably suit the course it is designed for admirably.
Laminar Flow
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I'm sorry, which part of family cruiser did I not understand?
And, by the bye, the weather at the time off Gibraltar and on our way to Tangier seemed rather benign. If these conditions exceed the projected envelope for this particular boat it would be wise not ever to leave the Solent in it.
dom
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Dare I ask when you were last in the middle of the North Sea. Fact is, most modern cruisers (which this is not) spend there sea time scuttling 10 miles or so twixt marinas in settled weather.
Wandering Star
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Probably designed with a view to helping wean those dastardly Portuguese Orcas off their rudder diet and onto something more wholesome like a helmsman.
johnalison
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The last time we sailed to and from Holland/Belgium was about four years ago. I could have sailed across in the following years but was overruled. I know it is not 'the middle of the North Sea', which would be up by the Dogger Bank, but the weather in mid-Channel and the southern North Sea is unpredictable enough to make a seaworthy boat my first requirment. Marina-hop if you wish, but I would regard calling a boat that could only do that as a cruising boat as stretching the language somewhat.
Ink
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Tranona
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Families are as variable as boats. I can imagine many very keen competitive young families cruising in this type of boat when they are not racing. Can it only be called a family cruiser only if it fits your definition of what a family should cruise in? After all their competitors such as J boats are sold in exactly the same way, complete with open transoms. Reme,ber also that not all family cruising in world markets is in conditions such as we experience around our coasts.
Racing orientated boats with significant accommodation of all generations have tried to cater for as wide a market as possible - and this is a racing boat that can cruise not a cruising boat that can race. bit like 50 years ago when the beloved CO32 was introduced with exactly the same aim - and I would not call that a family cruising boat (for me) - to cramped, too wet, too much hard work - but many families did use, and still use them for cruising.
awol
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...... and as I love to remind you, Yachting Monthly, the premier UK cruising magazine, gave what at the time was a design in its 4th decade, namely the CO32, a higher score than the latest MDF and plastic offering from Bavaria.
dancrane
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Nice to see the whole design team get involved in assembling the saloon table.
There's sure to be a screw missing.
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There's sure to be a screw missing.
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