New Beneteau or Bavaria?

[Twister_Ken]

Hush yo\' mouth

I'm keeping quiet.

I've discovered that I can outsail Bav34s in anything over about F3, and the more people I can beat, the better!

(Mind you a Feeling 30 romped past me on a reach on Sunday, Most Gaulling.)

 

[Guest]

Just because boats are 10 + years old doesn't mean they are tired. If they are well maintained and updated they are as good as new, helps if they were well built as Moody's and Westerly were.

Pete

 

[jimi]

Re: Hush yo\' mouth

Its probably the workman not the tool ....

Jim

 

[JeremyF]

Pete,

Agreed re basic structure, but get ready to budget for

Instrumentation upgrade and electronics replacement
Standing rigging
Engine top-end overhaul
Saildrive O-ring replacement, which never got done at 7 years
Upholstery replacement

I'd rather not have these bills for a few years, thanks.

Of the price difference between the Moody/Westerly and Ben/Bav/Jen I'd still argue that over half is due to inefficient production, and poor purchasing power, both of which conspire to an uncompetitive cost base. OK, Sunseaker, or whoever it is makes Moody now, but they are still dont have the production efficiency of a Jen/Bav/Ben. There is a difference in build quality, but the price difference is not justifiable IMHO

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[Mr Cassandra]

Re: Nearly New

AH .but . I wonder who was the happiest ,you with the boat ,or the guy in Hartlepool with the money .cheers bob t

Bob T

 

[JeremyF]

Re: Nearly New

Both, I hope, Bob. He got the money. I got an as-new boat that's been out every weekend since I got her!

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[sailbadthesinner]

Steve101
who i met last night, his friend bough a BAv 32 June this year
he has sailed on it a few times and might have a few things to say
you could try a OPM to him.

Have you looked at GIBSEA i came close to getting one at LBS
nice boats to sail.

Beer! Now there's a temporary solution.

 

[Guest]

oh dear

In terms of Moody they have since the 1970's been built by Marine Projects who also build Princess and also used to build Sigma. Volume is about 120 Moodys and 600 Princesses. In terms of quality well as Chris Robb says you get what you pay for.

Pete

 

[JeremyF]

Re: oh dear

>>>In terms of quality well as Chris Robb says you get what you pay for.<<<<

My point is that you get half of what you pay for! i.e. 50% of the premium is justifiable, based on better quality. But not the other half.


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[Dallas]

Re: oh dear

As we are talking about Moody's, Bav,s and Ben's (sounds like a kids TV program) I have to say that at the Earls Court boat show at the begining of the year I viewed all three and most different sizes. The thing that struck me most with the Moody range was when walking down below, without exception ALL the Moodys creaked. Silly I know but thats the lasting impression I got. I have nothing against Moodys - the Moody 44 has to be my favourite boat of all time.

The Bav's, Ben's, Jens etc. may not be as well built but they didnt creak like an old stair case and seemed solid and well built enough for me.

Dallas

 

[JeremyF]

Gibsea??!!

Ben/Jen/Bav - There's not really much between their 10m models. Its a matter of personal choice really. The Gibsea 33 is nasty, 'cos

No proper chart table
Exposed helming position
Even less stowage that the others
Horrible plastic interior
Dolphin nose - dont know how one would pick up a buoy

I saw a 1 year old non-charter version for sale with 1000nm, and it was looking tired already.

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[Mr Cassandra]

Re: Nearly New

Pleased to here it .Must say I have looked at a few Bav 44s. One hell of a big boat compaired with my Jeanneau Sun Magic 44. The thing I did notice was that the Bav weighed in at 9600kg and my 11 year old weighs 11000kg yet the Bav as said much bigger .And another thing the magic is about a knot faster on all points of sail .
If I do sell the Magic I think I would look seriously at a Bav 47 but it would not be a new one ,I think about two years old so that the problems had been sorted
Cheers bob t


Bob T

 

[Guest]

Re: oh dear

Depends on how long you want to keep your craft for and whether you take residuals into your equation.

 

[sailbadthesinner]

Re: Gibsea??!!

I was thinking of the bigger gibseas
we looked at a gibsea a few years ago
she was 5 yrs about 36ft and sailed really well. in a vit of a blow (F6) she just picked up her skirts and got on with it, it was a boat i just felt confident about, no science to it just felt that way. that is why i mentioned it.

a couple of months back having my annual buy/charter exercise i looked at lots of older 2nd hand boats and said i was astounded at the cost.

i still am
i have just seen a nicholson 32 for £27500. 30 yrs old.
Now as you said earlier 9 yr old boats need tlc and kit adding so i could be looking at 33 grand to get her in the water with the basics ready to go.

The race is on to decide for me as i am soon to get married. A friend advised me to get all my 'toys' before i have a family. Now as the sole purpose of getting married is ( i assume ) swmbo wants a family, i must decide soon. Esp. as she cannot pass a pram these days without trying to highjack the contents.

my theory was to get a cheap boat so that now we have it we have to use it. i budgeted 30k max. but i want to be able to take it over to ireland for holidays so must be v seaworthy. but old and seaworthy still has a hefty price and what is more my budget will constrict once wife and family are in tow so a low maintanence boat would be preferred( ( i know there is no such thing) so i am back to chartering.

i can fully see why the new yachts sell. even tho they may not have had 30 yrs proven cruising as a class etc for those who want to get up and sail and get to know the boat for few years sailing before having to get to know how to fix her, it makes sense.

Beer! Now there's a temporary solution.

 

[JeremyF]

Discounted Cash Factor

And a DCF to determine the value of any relative price difference in 6 years time!!

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[jimi]

Re: Gibsea??!!

Went through a similar thought process a couple of years ago, really wanted a Contessa 32 but knew SWMBO would not put up with it, so if I wanted it to be a family success it would have to be tupperware. You need to get SWMBO onboard with the purchase decision or the future is either sale or divorce.

Jim

 

[billmacfarlane]

Thomas I bet you never knew what a can of worms you were opening when you asked the question. As you are now finding out , a boat is a VERY personal thing , and you'll see people praising and slagging off both models as well as the odd person slagging off anything foreign and built on a production line. Why don't you get yourself off to SBS this week and REALLY look at all the models your purse will afford. If necessary spend a couple of days looking in every nook and cranny of every boat you can. I spent three whole days there a couple of years ago and it took me 18 months to find my boat. Construction techniques do vary between companies but over a space of 10 years the state of any boat has more to do with how you've maintained it than how it was originally built. My own tuppence worth is that I prefer the Beneteau for no other reason that I looked over one a couple of years ago , a 361 , and it looked OK. But you really need to look very thoroughly at them yourself and make your own mind up. Good luck.

 

[david_e]

Even though I am a big Beneteau First fan Bill, I have to say that I think they are in need of updating the 311 Oceanis if only because the competition has moved on a touch, still think that the new Jen 32 is really well designed both above/outside and below/inside.

 

[Gunfleet]

Re: Hush yo\' mouth

Ah but when the wind gets up, you'll show Mr Feeling a clean pair of heels Ken

 

[david_e]

An alternative

If none of these 32's fit the bill Thomas you could always go for a nearly new Contessa 32. There is a 4 year old one at the Moody used boat show. A snip at £80,000. (still it has been across the Atlantic and back!)