Elessar
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Surveyor says it's worth 220% of what it was then so some progress has been made.
Can't wait to show you Mike. You have an open invitation
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Surveyor says it's worth 220% of what it was then so some progress has been made.
Can't wait to show you Mike. You have an open invitation
Elessar
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Elessar
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I'll try and get a full list of coding stuff together, but here's a selection of the sort of thing we had to do as a starter for 10.
Escape hatches - need to be able to open from the outside. Forward one front hinged.
So I took out and revolved the forward one, and new handles were available for retrofit from Bomar. The rear one was trend, and was crazed anyway. Found a new hatch for £70, only a few ££ more than the handles.
Rear rails - in the picture of the above and her you can see they've grown. DJE fabs of the forum extended them up by 300mm. Not easy as the front sloped, it needed re profiling. Where the joins are I can't tell. A perfect job. It you have a prang or otherwise need stainless steel work - or better still if you need a new factory made out of steel - ring Derek. He's got a squaddie in SParkes which is immaculate, he's a proper boat bloke.
I asked him to add disks to the bottom of all the rails to spread the load, the extra height gave more leverage. On this one the GRP was profiled. We could have bodged it with sikaflex, but not Paul, he adds a GRP fillet. All looks factory.
I've enough fire extinguishers to put out the fire of London. Here are the controls for the auto one in the engine bay plus the fuel cut offs I had to add.
And the tiddler in the saloon.
Loads of idiot labels needed. Here's some. And take a look at the window catch.
All the catches below the weather deck need to be lockable - I got a load all with the same key.
I needed a gate on the fly. Got a cheap, new sealine one.
The anchor needed to be bigger, the old one became the kedge.
And here is sean splicing on 20m of rope to the chain.
The nav lights were all crazed, here's the final one being done, with the new digital radar in shot.
The boat manual is a big thing. Here are a selection of pages.
Escape hatches - need to be able to open from the outside. Forward one front hinged.
So I took out and revolved the forward one, and new handles were available for retrofit from Bomar. The rear one was trend, and was crazed anyway. Found a new hatch for £70, only a few ££ more than the handles.
Rear rails - in the picture of the above and her you can see they've grown. DJE fabs of the forum extended them up by 300mm. Not easy as the front sloped, it needed re profiling. Where the joins are I can't tell. A perfect job. It you have a prang or otherwise need stainless steel work - or better still if you need a new factory made out of steel - ring Derek. He's got a squaddie in SParkes which is immaculate, he's a proper boat bloke.
I asked him to add disks to the bottom of all the rails to spread the load, the extra height gave more leverage. On this one the GRP was profiled. We could have bodged it with sikaflex, but not Paul, he adds a GRP fillet. All looks factory.
I've enough fire extinguishers to put out the fire of London. Here are the controls for the auto one in the engine bay plus the fuel cut offs I had to add.
And the tiddler in the saloon.
Loads of idiot labels needed. Here's some. And take a look at the window catch.
All the catches below the weather deck need to be lockable - I got a load all with the same key.
I needed a gate on the fly. Got a cheap, new sealine one.
The anchor needed to be bigger, the old one became the kedge.
And here is sean splicing on 20m of rope to the chain.
The nav lights were all crazed, here's the final one being done, with the new digital radar in shot.
The boat manual is a big thing. Here are a selection of pages.
Elessar
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did a reply on coding this evening and the thread still said last reply 1408. trying this to bump it........
edit no still sitting right down the thread list for me saying last reply 1408. Same for everyone?
edit no still sitting right down the thread list for me saying last reply 1408. Same for everyone?
jfm
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Fab job Mark, and congratulations on the 220% score. Result
I'm confused by some of the coding mods. Were you mgn280 or yellow book? Maybe this just reflects inconsistency among surveyors and my erm track record of arguing when they dont follow the letter of the law, but under yellow book I've never put locks on my below-weather-deck portlights and have relied on the "keep closed" sticker as meeting the rules. Locks are arguably required under mgn280 but not yellow book.
And ref the foredeck hatch I like them rear hinged for ventilation so I've always left them that way round and met the coding rules using a plywood blank, but given your storage issues that may suit you less well than spinning the hatch around (You can't spin it round easily on Sq58 or 78 so that aint an option)
Are those labels done on the Brother connect-to-PC label printer on TZ tapes?
Anyway, superb job you have there. Tell solitaire to take his shoes off and take good care of her
PS, love the decks/white caulking
I'm confused by some of the coding mods. Were you mgn280 or yellow book? Maybe this just reflects inconsistency among surveyors and my erm track record of arguing when they dont follow the letter of the law, but under yellow book I've never put locks on my below-weather-deck portlights and have relied on the "keep closed" sticker as meeting the rules. Locks are arguably required under mgn280 but not yellow book.
And ref the foredeck hatch I like them rear hinged for ventilation so I've always left them that way round and met the coding rules using a plywood blank, but given your storage issues that may suit you less well than spinning the hatch around (You can't spin it round easily on Sq58 or 78 so that aint an option)
Are those labels done on the Brother connect-to-PC label printer on TZ tapes?
Anyway, superb job you have there. Tell solitaire to take his shoes off and take good care of her
PS, love the decks/white caulking
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oGaryo
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yep, some weird and wonderfuls this evening. read a thread, come back to the forum later and it looks as if someone has put a new post in there. go for a looksee and nothing's changed
Tender_aft
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Excuse my ignorance, but when you are getting a boat coded, does it get inspected, they give you a list of issues that makes it sub-standard , you treat it like a snagging list ie. fix all those issues and get reinspected, then you pass?
Elessar
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Fab job Mark, and congratulations on the 220% score. Result
I'm confused by some of the coding mods. Were you mgn280 or yellow book? Maybe this just reflects inconsistency among surveyors and my erm track record of arguing when they dont follow the letter of the law, but under yellow book I've never put locks on my below-weather-deck portlights and have relied on the "keep closed" sticker as meeting the rules. Locks are arguably required under mgn280 but not yellow book.
And ref the foredeck hatch I like them rear hinged for ventilation so I've always left them that way round and met the coding rules using a plywood blank, but given your storage issues that may suit you less well than spinning the hatch around (You can't spin it round easily on Sq58 or 78 so that aint an option)
Are those labels done on the Brother connect-to-PC label printer on TZ tapes?
Anyway, superb job you have there. Tell solitaire to take his shoes off and take good care of her
PS, love the decks/white caulking
Yellow book. The words say not readily openable or something from memory. The result was neat so I was happy, some people replace the knobs with nuts and things like that, which I wouldn't like. There is no doubt that Simon was much stricter on applying every aspect of the code than the chap who did E3, but that's fine I'm feeling good about the boat. Nothing has been bodged, and I've eliminated many bodges. Some of the behind the scenes things no one will ever know about, understand or appreciate. It's the same process as yours in a way just a budget that's 30 or 40 x smaller
Yep TZ tapes - on your recommendation.
Hatch, yes exactly the logic. It took less time to turn it than make a blank, and as all the windows had been out to have new sealant, new sealant on the hatch seemed an added bonus.
As for shoes - still haven't done the carpet and upholstery. They are last. I actually have cushions covering the upholstery.
And yes the white caulking was right. I was determined to have black until you persuaded me and I'm really glad.
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Elessar
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Exactly right, but more than 2.
Visit 1 he did the hull bottom externally and for the interior just wrote "how big was the bomb?"
Visit 2 long list.
Visit 3 check progress, stability test, short list. Obviously she needs to be in the water for this.
Visit 4 sign off. Actually my new radar reflector hadn't arrived so he saw the receipt and has asked for a photo of it on.
There is then an ongoing process, you agree to keep it in code, annually you sign to specifically say it is still in code and every 3rd year you get a re inspection. That's for boats my size, bigger boats need an annual reinspection
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jfm
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There is no "readily openable" language in yellow book. That language is in mgn280 only. Yellow book 5.4.3 says "an opening portlight should not be provided to a space situated below the weather deck", ie an absolute prohibition, on the face of it, and your locks don't make your portlights non opening. However, MCA has used its statutory powers (i forget the section number but can look it up if you need) to allow an opening window with a "keep shut" sticker as an acceptable alternative to the "non-opening" requirement stipulated in yellow book. This by the way is the same statutory power that allows mgn280 to be used as an alternative to yellow book: remember mgn280 isn't law, only yellow book is law, but MCA has a general statutory power to accept a reasonable alternative to any of the coding rules stipulated in the law, and they have accepted mgn280 in exercise of that power.
I therefore think your surveyor has confused mgn280 with yellow book, but no big deal of course and your boat is fine. I only mention this for the possible interest of people who, like me, wish to code their boats without putting locks on the portlights. I have found over the years many surveyors are not quite perfect in understanding the law and tell you that you need to do things that the law doesn't require. Sometimes the thing they're asking for is best practice anyway and is well worth following, but it's important in my book to understand exactly what the law demands in case you happen to disagree with the surveyor's advice
Ref E4 generally, I gotta take my hat off to you and say she is looking all round fantastic. FWIW, 6 months or so on from making the decision, I'm very happy with my white caulk. I wondered back then if I'd regret it later, but as it turns out it's grown on me. The general fit and detial of your decks looks first rate. Many congratulations on a great (and seemingly very fast) project
capnsensible
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Thought you guys coding boats may be interested in this.
I am the new managing agent of a Jenneau yacht first coded when born in 2003. The yacht was satisfactory in all respects at that point and the subsequent 5 year renewal. I have presented the yacht for the change of ownership renewal, coincidentally also being the 2nd five year renewal.
Have coded boats no problem for many years, but here is the latest thinking PITA change.....
Para 4, Construction and Structural Strength. Always was worded for standard production boat, more than 5 years history of safe operation in commercial use.
So, we got a boat coded for 10 years already, survey great, all cushty.
Not so. Code checker at authorising authority has kicked it back on para4. Now need Name of Notified Body issuing RCD Declaration of Conformity (easy, Jenneau).
Tough bit. Copy attatched if self certified by builder Scantlings to ISO 12215 1-4
So we have had a major delay to a coded before working vessel whilst we got the paperwork from Jenneau at some expense. This has now been submitted via the surveyor to YDSA and quick as a flash, as yet, no answer! Imagine how impressed we are.
Go careful out there, this appears to be the new norm.
CS
I am the new managing agent of a Jenneau yacht first coded when born in 2003. The yacht was satisfactory in all respects at that point and the subsequent 5 year renewal. I have presented the yacht for the change of ownership renewal, coincidentally also being the 2nd five year renewal.
Have coded boats no problem for many years, but here is the latest thinking PITA change.....
Para 4, Construction and Structural Strength. Always was worded for standard production boat, more than 5 years history of safe operation in commercial use.
So, we got a boat coded for 10 years already, survey great, all cushty.
Not so. Code checker at authorising authority has kicked it back on para4. Now need Name of Notified Body issuing RCD Declaration of Conformity (easy, Jenneau).
Tough bit. Copy attatched if self certified by builder Scantlings to ISO 12215 1-4
So we have had a major delay to a coded before working vessel whilst we got the paperwork from Jenneau at some expense. This has now been submitted via the surveyor to YDSA and quick as a flash, as yet, no answer! Imagine how impressed we are.
Go careful out there, this appears to be the new norm.
CS
Elessar
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doing some details now that make a huge difference.
The rub rail on the stern,
And the main one going on.
The old one........
The rub rail on the stern,
And the main one going on.
The old one........
Whitelighter
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How long did that take you in the end?
Look good though, didn't fancy it as a job mind...
Look good though, didn't fancy it as a job mind...
Elessar
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Ther transom took hours. It was a complete b@stard.
The main rubrail is a different profile and easier thankfully.
crazy4557
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Mmmm...not what I wanted to hear Mark as my rubrail's missing too and I was thinking it might be an easy replacement! Did you warm it up with hair dryer or hot water?
Hurricane
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Wow
I wish I'd taken a photo of her hanging in that travel lift in Vinaros last August
It would have been a real "turn up" for the books.
Fantastic Mark - well done.
I wish I'd taken a photo of her hanging in that travel lift in Vinaros last August
It would have been a real "turn up" for the books.
Fantastic Mark - well done.
Tender_aft
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Wow, some effort then. Also after what capnsensible said later in the thread about 'the rules they are a changin' all the time, it sounds pretty hard to keep it in code even if you sign to agree to.
Elessar
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Elessar
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just kept it warm inside before fitting. It wasn't the flexibility that was the problem, it just keeps popping back out unless you keep pressure on it. So for the 5m or so of rail we put in about 15 or 20.
rafiki_
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Had to use a hot air gun on Rafiki, the rubber harndened very quickly in the cool ambient air. Not an easy job.
