My new project... MFV Elizmor

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NealB said:
Interesting!

As I said last night, I have no experience of Gardners or fishing boats, so 'my' 5.5 gph @ 8 knots is from a fishing boat site somewhere (and ties in pretty well with fisherman's rule of thumb: 1 gph for each 20 hp, and 100 hp).

So I guess, to get 10 L an hour, you'd be going much slower?



Say 5 knots (plucked out the air!)?

So 600 miles direct, then takes 120 hours, 1200 litres, say £1700.

Detours could add considerably to the distance.
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Who knows? Only one way to find out. Much would depend on flat sea/bashing into a head sea using lots of oomph.

And this one doesn't quite have the lean lines of a Fifer..I wonder if Elizmor came with the old logbooks?

There are I am sure a couple of MFV owners reading who might pop in...?
 
But it isn't at Fleetwood. That is the whole issue.

Perhaps those who are making all these pointless suggestions would like to go back to Page 1 and read the whole thread.

The boat is on the hard at Preston marina. It has been fo 13 years. The cost of a lift is the reason she hasn't had it lifted.
There isn't a way around the lift issues. The marina cannot lift it with their own gear.

She has had contractor quotations and this is the stumbling block.

It's all in the thread, repeatedly. Again and again.
 
Lakesailor said:
But it isn't at Fleetwood. That is the whole issue.

Perhaps those who are making all these pointless suggestions would like to go back to Page 1 and read the whole thread.

The boat is on the hard at Preston marina. It has been fo 13 years. The cost of a lift is the reason she hasn't had it lifted.
There isn't a way around the lift issues. The marina cannot lift it with their own gear.

She has had contractor quotations and this is the stumbling block.

It's all in the thread, repeatedly. Again and again.
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Well said Lakey but I think you should have printed in CAPS .
 
TimBennet said:
The Kowloon bus company in Hong Kong used the 6LX engines in their buses. In fact the same engine served in two bus bodies as they lasted so long (and buses in Hong Kong didn't exactly get thrown away when the ash trays were full!). I think the service life of two consecutive bodies was in excess of 30 years and all stop/start driving. The same engines then went off to serve long careers in the local fishing junks.

The generators on the ferries also had Gardner engines and ran under load continuously night and day. After 100,000 hours without stopping, the Gardner agent took them apart to find no discernible wear and put them back together again for another 11 years.

It's a pity you need a huge boat to enjoy owning one. I worked on one boat with an 8LX and used to walk happily along the rocker covers when it was running, something I've not been able to do with the Yanmar 3GM30.
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our boat with twin Gardners 6lw about as big as Ellies but made out of steel will use about 30ltrs an hour at 1800revs max speed of 9 knts..so at 5knts would use half of that, so 15ltrs divided by two =7.5 ltrs an hour per engine, not bad I suppose.
 
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Just to put road transport into perspective. This was the 58ft, 37 ton, yacht Peter Ustinov owned that was transported to the UK from the SoF.


This yacht was only 14ft beam.
Elizmor is 17ft beam.

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This is another 14ft beam boat being transported.
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Read about it here http://www.btx.co.uk/transportnews12.html
 
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I would be fairly sure that air draught would be the biggest problem of transporting by road unless the entire superstructure was to be chopped off. Lets hope her fairy ground surveyor turns up with a 200 t crane under his arm.
 
Lakesailor said:
The boat is on the hard at Preston marina. It has been fo 13 years. The cost of a lift is the reason she hasn't had it lifted.
There isn't a way around the lift issues. The marina cannot lift it with their own gear.
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Here's a picture of a lift in progress, shamelessly hotlinked from the Preston Marina website.

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From what they (PM) have written here and on their website, it sounds as if the cost of a lift is why Elizmor was for sale. I wouldn't be surprised if that was why she was for sale a year earlier as well.
 
Have a look at their lift of the ex British 12M Sceptre . They do seem to be sympathetic to some lovely old boats there. Nice marina website and community 'feel' too.
 
I used to own a 60ft MFV conversion. She was fitted with a Gardner 6L3. 114hp. This is a bigger, and slower running engine than a 6LX, but about the same power. The L3 range were designed as proper marine engines, while the LXs were also for buses etc. Our engine had a designed max revs of 900, but I normally ran at 750rpm, which gave an easy 7.5 knots. At these revs, fuel consumption was about 12 litres/hour. Engine and gearbox and reduction gear together weighed 3 tons. Wonderful engines.
 
NormanS said:
I used to own a 60ft MFV conversion. She was fitted with a Gardner 6L3. 114hp. This is a bigger, and slower running engine than a 6LX, but about the same power. The L3 range were designed as proper marine engines, while the LXs were also for buses etc. Our engine had a designed max revs of 900, but I normally ran at 750rpm, which gave an easy 7.5 knots. At these revs, fuel consumption was about 12 litres/hour. Engine and gearbox and reduction gear together weighed 3 tons. Wonderful engines.
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This is where HP figures go out the window. My 135hp Ford would never shove that along at 7.5kts. Most 'proper' marine engines seem to be worth nearly twice the HP of a converted road engine. (Kelvin, Gardner, Baudouin, Poyaud, etc)
 
Lazy Kipper said:
Why doesn't she just get the marina's own travel hoist to lift it up and put it on an HGV? No crane, no site survey, truck it round to a cheaper lift in place. All this fuss would be over.
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I'm sorry to those who replied with such detailed responses, I honestly didn't think my question would be taken serriously :o I think it's the 9th time it's been asked.
 
fisherman said:
This is where HP figures go out the window. My 135hp Ford would never shove that along at 7.5kts. Most 'proper' marine engines seem to be worth nearly twice the HP of a converted road engine. (Kelvin, Gardner, Baudouin, Poyaud, etc)
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Mine was swinging a 49", 4 bladed propeller, and with a 3:1 reduction gear. The trouble with Gardners was, that as fishing boats moved into trawling, and wanted more and more power, Gardners, which were already massive beasts, couldn't compete, and so smaller, faster revving engines, like Cats, took their place. The big slow prop made berthing port-side-to very easy and impressive. On the other hand, if I HAD to berth starboard-to, it wasn't easy.
Incidentally, on one occasion, after the main conversion, I launched her single handed, using jacks, timbers, and wedges etc.
 
Lakesailor said:
:D I think the discussion has passed beyond light-hearted.
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Poor analogy ...the level of seriousness is like a wave train. An argument trapped inside is first lifted to a serious level (e.g. Gardner engineering) and then back to the idiotic (low loaders). And of course the motion of an argument stuck in a wave train is c******r!

But Kipper is a fish so he was able to swim down to a lower level of seriousness ...and I don't think anybody has the right to laugh at him just because they are jealous how well he can swim.
 
NormanS said:
Mine was swinging a 49", 4 bladed propeller, and with a 3:1 reduction gear. The trouble with Gardners was, that as fishing boats moved into trawling, and wanted more and more power, Gardners, which were already massive beasts, couldn't compete, and so smaller, faster revving engines, like Cats, took their place. The big slow prop made berthing port-side-to very easy and impressive. On the other hand, if I HAD to berth starboard-to, it wasn't easy.
Incidentally, on one occasion, after the main conversion, I launched her single handed, using jacks, timbers, and wedges etc.
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I think that was what, partly led to their demise .apart from the engines lasting forever, for some reason they refused to supercharge any of their diesels iirc. mind if they did put a blower on them they wouldn't have lasted so long.
 
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