knewboater
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Come on Blair you have 4 days to save the world and you won`t loose any votes if you stop this sick way of fishing.
Does Tony read this forum?????
Does Tony read this forum?????
My heart sank
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mikemacdonald
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Look at Deadliest Catch on Sky Documentaries,crab and cod fishing in the Bering Sea. Boats and crew are lost every year, but the rewards can be huge. However it is strictly controlled by the Alaskan fishing authority with huge fines for over quota, undersize etc, but at least they are preserving the stocks and tag crab for research into stock movements etc. Plus the crews are well aware their future lies in sensible conservation that lets everyone earn a living. When the North Western was cod fishing using the modified crab traps I never saw a single undersized fish hauled up, nothing is wasted and all throwbacks are done immediately so it should survive, probably a better chance than some of the fishermen!!
savageseadog
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I totally agree with the concept of out of bounds areas. It's easy to enforce, no silly quota's and fish thrown away, no fishing in storms etc. Those areas will act as nurseries for fish ocean wide.
jimi
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Hmm . the herring industry lasted for centuries with drifters but was killed within a few years of the advent of purse seiners
snowleopard
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It has been tried and it works. National Geographic has an article about marine reserves in New Zealand. They were bitterly opposed by fishermen when first mooted but are now equally strongly defended by them as they provide a reservoir of fish to re-stock surrounding fisheries.
I think if we tried the same the problem would be keeping the Spanish out.
I think if we tried the same the problem would be keeping the Spanish out.
fisherman
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Well, just goes to show: everyone knows what to do with a sore arse except the bloke who's got it.
fisherman
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Hmm . the herring industry lasted for centuries with drifters but was killed within a few years of the advent of purse seiners
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Purse seiners are like smoking or the M25; once you have them you need them and can't get rid of them.
Incidentally, the drifters were blamed for the demise of the Cornish inshore pilchard seining industry in 1912.
Hmm . the herring industry lasted for centuries with drifters but was killed within a few years of the advent of purse seiners
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Purse seiners are like smoking or the M25; once you have them you need them and can't get rid of them.
Incidentally, the drifters were blamed for the demise of the Cornish inshore pilchard seining industry in 1912.
fisherman
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It does make you lose all sympathy for the fishermen. If they can't limit themselves then thank goodness for quotas.
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But you can't limit yourself unless there is a broad agreement for everyone to do the same. Where would you be now if you had to function within the same bounds as someone doing your job thirty years ago? No computer, no fax, no spreadsheets.
What we needed then was management and since there never was any interest in fish, politically, economically or domestically, unlike our EC partners, there was no management and we found ourselves on a treadmill which was driven by the most avaricious. Classic example, mackerel. We stuck with handlines and got screwed. If we still had that fishery it would take the pressure of other species. One thing fetches another, as they say.
It does make you lose all sympathy for the fishermen. If they can't limit themselves then thank goodness for quotas.
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But you can't limit yourself unless there is a broad agreement for everyone to do the same. Where would you be now if you had to function within the same bounds as someone doing your job thirty years ago? No computer, no fax, no spreadsheets.
What we needed then was management and since there never was any interest in fish, politically, economically or domestically, unlike our EC partners, there was no management and we found ourselves on a treadmill which was driven by the most avaricious. Classic example, mackerel. We stuck with handlines and got screwed. If we still had that fishery it would take the pressure of other species. One thing fetches another, as they say.
fisherman
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what is required is an absolute ban on some types of fishin.
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Keep your eye on scallop dredging.
Couple of big Brixham scallopers turned up off the Lizard last year, started towing what we knew to be rough ground, and tried to warn them. The answer came "Don't worry, three days and we'll knock it flat, then we start to catch scallops"
Asked if they would be back next tide, "Sure, we did fifty grand here".........and knocked down a bit of ground that's been there since the last ice age?
When a bit of ground is fished for scallops it is useless to anyone else, having been knocked to pieces, and is untenable for fixed gear (you lose it).
Only trouble is, when they try to restrict scallopers they come up against the Scots who will not put up with any restriction whatsoever, so GB scallopers have a free hand.
what is required is an absolute ban on some types of fishin.
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Keep your eye on scallop dredging.
Couple of big Brixham scallopers turned up off the Lizard last year, started towing what we knew to be rough ground, and tried to warn them. The answer came "Don't worry, three days and we'll knock it flat, then we start to catch scallops"
Asked if they would be back next tide, "Sure, we did fifty grand here".........and knocked down a bit of ground that's been there since the last ice age?
When a bit of ground is fished for scallops it is useless to anyone else, having been knocked to pieces, and is untenable for fixed gear (you lose it).
Only trouble is, when they try to restrict scallopers they come up against the Scots who will not put up with any restriction whatsoever, so GB scallopers have a free hand.
longjohnsilver
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Effing scallop dredgers, they do exactly what you say and I regularly see the barren after affects. They will eventually kill all the breeding grounds for almost all fish. I despair at their short sightedness and greed.
Athene V30
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Why go on about the fishermen - it is happening everywhere and usually envolves big companies getting bigger and smaller ones loosing out!
Fishing is a business like any other.
Tesco used to be a small chain of grocery shops.
I think it is called PROGRESS
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Fishing is a business like any other.
Tesco used to be a small chain of grocery shops.
I think it is called PROGRESS
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dulcibella
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Progress indeed - progress to hell in a handcart!
oldharry
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<<Now we all know there's loads of mackerel in the sea, >>
No there isnt. As a kid 50 years I could go out in my dinghy with a hand line and know I could bring back half a dozen in 20 minutes.
Nowadays it takes me half the morning to catch enough for my supper.
No there isnt. As a kid 50 years I could go out in my dinghy with a hand line and know I could bring back half a dozen in 20 minutes.
Nowadays it takes me half the morning to catch enough for my supper.