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I was looking at 33’-38’ boats with diesel inboards but due to lack of availability I am now thinking a new mf895 offshore may fit the bill.
pro everything new with warranty, against petrol/ economy .
will paying for fuel spoil the fun or will the saving on servicing cover some of that?
It would have twin 200 Yamaha engines.
Thanks
 
Everybody says, and it’s true, fuel costs are the least of your worries! Boats cost so much to buy, service, berth, insure etc etc that fuel will be way down the list. Check that petrol is available (and if your engine handbook says hi octane etc, check that is available). I had a (smaller) Merry Fisher, you won’t be disappointed. One thing I always check is, will I bang my head anywhere (especially anywhere sharp) and do I want a dinghy and if so, where shall I put it.
 
Bouba said:
Everybody says, and it’s true, fuel costs are the least of your worries! Boats cost so much to buy, service, berth, insure etc etc that fuel will be way down the list. Check that petrol is available (and if your engine handbook says hi octane etc, check that is available). I had a (smaller) Merry Fisher, you won’t be disappointed. One thing I always check is, will I bang my head anywhere (especially anywhere sharp) and do I want a dinghy and if so, where shall I put it.
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Thanks,
I managed to get a look at one yesterday seems like plenty of headroom. I will check on the octane as well.
 
When I eventually get another boat I would expect fuel to be my single biggest cost. Modern outboards aren't that hard on fuel compared to a few years ago though and if you can get petrol where you intend to be it is worth considering.
 
I've just bought a MF 1095 with 2 x 300hp Yamahas. It will go at 37 knots with a clean bottom. We'll probably spend more than half our time at 10 knots! I tend not to check the price of petrol - it spoils my day! Who says boating is a sensible pastime? .......... :unsure:
 
Martxer said:
I was looking at 33’-38’ boats with diesel inboards but due to lack of availability I am now thinking a new mf895 offshore may fit the bill.
pro everything new with warranty, against petrol/ economy .
will paying for fuel spoil the fun or will the saving on servicing cover some of that?
It would have twin 200 Yamaha engines.
Thanks
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A non offshore version can be had with one engine (350hp I think) which will cut servicing and fuel consumption costs. And the initial purchase price.
 
One thing is for certain, Martxer is definitely going to get that boat! His thread title, instead of writing MF895 he made the Freudien slip of writing My 895????
 
Martxer said:
I have seen them with a single engine but I have been informed its a better boat with a twin setup
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I’m not absolutely certain but when the boat is given a ´B’ it’s not just an extra engine. Beneteau also may have beefed it up
 
I would get a single 300. Halve your servicing costs, reduce your fuel bill by a decent amount and save money on the purchase price. Top speed will be very similar and get a bow thruster to help when berthing etc. The only benefit in having two engines is reliability and the safety net of having a second engine. When was the last time you heard of a newish modern outboard failing? Limp home mode, maybe, but total failure is very very rare.
 
madabouttheboat said:
I would get a single 300. Halve your servicing costs, reduce your fuel bill by a decent amount and save money on the purchase price. Top speed will be very similar and get a bow thruster to help when berthing etc. The only benefit in having two engines is reliability and the safety net of having a second engine. When was the last time you heard of a newish modern outboard failing? Limp home mode, maybe, but total failure is very very rare.
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I have seen a video on YouTube claiming twin 200s to be as economical as a single 300 no idea if that’s true or not.
Also seen on youtube the twin 200s will burn 71 litres hr at 26 knots.
Due to availability being so scarce at the moment its more a case of what’s available.
 
Martxer said:
I have seen a video on YouTube claiming twin 200s to be as economical as a single 300 no idea if that’s true or not.
Also seen on youtube the twin 200s will burn 71 litres hr at 26 knots.
Due to availability being so scarce at the moment its more a case of what’s available.
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It's rare, bordering on impossible, for two engines to be more economical than one. This is just a result of the extra drag in the water and twice the inefficiencies within the engine etc etc. That is why you often get similar top speeds with a single of less HP than the twins installation with more overall power.

From magazine boat tests, just to give you an idea and becasue you may find it useful/interesting

SIngle 300 on an 855 (895 predecessor) 59 lph at 26.4 knots 4500rpm
Twin 150 on an 895 62.7 lph at 24.7 knots 4500rpm (same total HP but slower and more fuel at same engine RPM) or 71.2 lph at 27.5 knots 5000rpm
Twin 200 on an 895 Marlin 72.2 lph at 25.5 knots 4500 rpm
 
madabouttheboat said:
It's rare, bordering on impossible, for two engines to be more economical than one. This is just a result of the extra drag in the water and twice the inefficiencies within the engine etc etc. That is why you often get similar top speeds with a single of less HP than the twins installation with more overall power.

From magazine boat tests, just to give you an idea and becasue you may find it useful/interesting

SIngle 300 on an 855 (895 predecessor) 59 lph at 26.4 knots 4500rpm
Twin 150 on an 895 62.7 lph at 24.7 knots 4500rpm (same total HP but slower and more fuel at same engine RPM) or 71.2 lph at 27.5 knots 5000rpm
Twin 200 on an 895 Marlin 72.2 lph at 25.5 knots 4500 rpm
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Thanks for those figures, may have to re consider.
some of the research I have done claim the 200s return better fuel economy than twin 150s.
Fuel Economy
In our standard "best cruise" measure of fuel economy, the F200 is a surprising winner, delivering 29 percent more miles per gallon than the F150 at 3,500 rpm. At 5.1 gph, the F200 burned a little less fuel than the F150 (5.6 gph), and because of its taller gear ratio, it was running at 26.9 mph compared to 23 mph for the F150. More speed on less fuel sounds like a winning formula for the F200.

When we measured fuel use at three specific boat speeds — 30, 35 and 40 mph — the F200 achieved 13 to 29 percent better economy than the F150. But unless you are engaged in some speed-specific activity, like towing watersports, you are unlikely to throttle your boat to a specific speed; unlike an auto on the road, there’s usually no speed limit to guide us. Instead, we’ll throttle up to what sounds and feels like a fun, comfortable cruising speed. If it’s a nice day, that sweet spot in this boat will likely be about 4,500 rpm — the boat is solidly on plane and can take a lot of trim, and we are going fast enough to have fun and cover some distance without leaving passengers windblown or beat up. At 4,500 rpm, the F200 and F150 deliver almost the same fuel economy.

Mine field ?
 
Martxer said:
I was looking at 33’-38’ boats with diesel inboards but due to lack of availability I am now thinking a new mf895 offshore may fit the bill.
pro everything new with warranty, against petrol/ economy .
will paying for fuel spoil the fun or will the saving on servicing cover some of that?
It would have twin 200 Yamaha engines.
Thanks
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where do you intend to cruise.
 
Martxer said:
Thanks for those figures, may have to re consider.
some of the research I have done claim the 200s return better fuel economy than twin 150s.
Fuel Economy
In our standard "best cruise" measure of fuel economy, the F200 is a surprising winner, delivering 29 percent more miles per gallon than the F150 at 3,500 rpm. At 5.1 gph, the F200 burned a little less fuel than the F150 (5.6 gph), and because of its taller gear ratio, it was running at 26.9 mph compared to 23 mph for the F150. More speed on less fuel sounds like a winning formula for the F200.

When we measured fuel use at three specific boat speeds — 30, 35 and 40 mph — the F200 achieved 13 to 29 percent better economy than the F150. But unless you are engaged in some speed-specific activity, like towing watersports, you are unlikely to throttle your boat to a specific speed; unlike an auto on the road, there’s usually no speed limit to guide us. Instead, we’ll throttle up to what sounds and feels like a fun, comfortable cruising speed. If it’s a nice day, that sweet spot in this boat will likely be about 4,500 rpm — the boat is solidly on plane and can take a lot of trim, and we are going fast enough to have fun and cover some distance without leaving passengers windblown or beat up. At 4,500 rpm, the F200 and F150 deliver almost the same fuel economy.

Mine field ?
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It’s 29% more efficient because theyre measuring at a fixed rpm (3500).
At that rpm the twin 150s aren’t on the plane but the twin 200s are. Covering more distance per litre.
 
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