Muddy bottom - phosphoric acid cure?

bob26

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On my halftide mooring in Chichester harbour I get very little weed growth over the season but a lot of sediment which coats the antifouling. By the end of the season this has built up to provide a muddy bottom that is a real chore to scrub off. A pressure hose hardly touches it and until now I have had to scrub it hard (and with triple keels that's no joke as you have to lie underneath it in places).

I mentioned this to an East Coast sailing friend who said he applied hydrochloric acid to his. That sounded a bit extreme to me ...and I wasn't sure how to obtain said acid. But it got me thinking that in all probability the sediment is probably calcareous (chalky) and in my garage I had the remains of a preparation sold to remove chalky/cementy residue from quarry tiles after grouting. According to the label this consists largely of 15-30% phosphoric acid . So I thought I'd try a small test area on my muddy antifouling.

I only meant to do about a square foot but immediately I did so I could see that simply applying it with a paint brush mobilised the sediment so that it washed off easily. I ended up painting the whole hull with a solution diluted 10 parts water to one part of acid before washing off with the power hose. One or two places (where I may not have applied the stuff so well) needed a slight going over with an abrasive pad but otherwise I did not scrub at all and the bottom is the cleanest it has ever been after lift out.

I took what precautions I could (avoiding spray on face and washing hands BEFORE you have a pee!). As far as I can tell phosphoric acid is corrosive but not especially poisonous (its added to cola drinks). And it seems reasonably benign to the environment in dilute form (it actually promotes plant growth). But I'd be glad to hear if anyone knows any good reason I shouldn't be using this stuff. It makes scrubbing off much easier.

And one other thing. Above my boot topping I have a permanent brown stain in the white grp. Where this stuff splashed or overlapped that stain has disappeared. I will probably have to go over it all now as the white splashes and wipes are rather obvious. What's it likely to do to gel coat I wonder?
 
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I an not sure I would fancy crawling about between triple keels with phosphoric acid any more than I would with hydrochloric acid.

Both are found as the basis for brick and masonry cleaners.

as i recently posted:


Of the range on B&Q's website

Swarfega Brick and Masonry Cleaner is hydrochloric acid based
BUT
Swarfega "Tough Clean" is based on citric and phosphoric acids.

No Nonsense contains hydrochloric acid

Extreme Green is based on aluminium chloride

Cementone Brick and Patio Cleaner is hydrochloric acid based

Geocel Ecochem Brick and Mortar Cleaner is aluminium chloride based.


Generally GRP is resistant to diluted strong acids so no problem there but either the oxalic acid based cleaner Y10 or a homemade mixture of oxalic acid and wallpaper paste is the favourite for water line stains.

With all these materials read the label and the safety data sheet. B&Q publish the safety data sheets for all the above brick cleaners on their website.
 
Thanks Vic,
I was going to try a mix of hydrochloric and wallpaper paste to descale iron (keel box and some stairs) sounds like it will work.
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Thanks Vic,
I was going to try a mix of hydrochloric and wallpaper paste to descale iron (keel box and some stairs) sounds like it will work.
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I may be telling grannie to suck eggs, but be sure to add the acid to the paste mix (or water) rather than the other way round. Acids don't just 'mix' with water -- they react with it. It can be violent with concentrated acids.
 
I may be telling grannie to suck eggs
It is advice that really only applies when diluting concentrated sulphuric acid. But it is very important in that case.
 
Thanks for the warning, but I did chemistry at school for several years and that bit is well ingrained. I use acid routinely, just havn't tried the wallpaper mix idea.
Sucking eggs has always made me feel very queesy :-)
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This is the same acid usedto "cure" rust, I think.

There may well be an expert to correct me however, milk stone remover from the farm supply shop, is a cheap place to buy this by the gallon, sorry five Litres.

73s de
Johnth
 
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