Motorboat replacement engines project and a bit of a refit.

pvb said:
On the contrary, I think you were antagonistic in suggesting in the first place that simple re-engining was a potential problem!
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I though this forum was a place for sharing advice and helping other like-minded folk along the way, apologies for pointing out a potential pot-hole to a neighbour.

I leave you with an extract from British Marine specifically regarding the RCD rule change - free on google, BTW. I wish you a good day, I shall now go and re-think my life choices....

Last week we looked at how the new Recreational Craft Directive (RCD) had changed the obligations of Distributors and Importers who sell recreational craft in the UK and Europe. This week focuses on how the new directive is also affecting boat owners and consequentially the sale and modification of second hand boats.
What are the changes?
There have been some changes for the rules applicable to craft that undergo a Major Craft Conversion, along with a better definition of what this actually means.
The definition of Major Craft Conversion:
‘major craft conversion’ means a conversion of a watercraft which changes the means of propulsion of the watercraft, involves a major engine modification, or alters the watercraft to such an extent that it may not meet the applicable essential safety and environmental requirements laid down in this Directive.
 
Moodysailor said:
I though this forum was a place for sharing advice and helping other like-minded folk along the way, apologies for pointing out a potential pot-hole to a neighbour.

I leave you with an extract from British Marine specifically regarding the RCD rule change - free on google, BTW. I wish you a good day, I shall now go and re-think my life choices....

Last week we looked at how the new Recreational Craft Directive (RCD) had changed the obligations of Distributors and Importers who sell recreational craft in the UK and Europe. This week focuses on how the new directive is also affecting boat owners and consequentially the sale and modification of second hand boats.
What are the changes?
There have been some changes for the rules applicable to craft that undergo a Major Craft Conversion, along with a better definition of what this actually means.
The definition of Major Craft Conversion:
‘major craft conversion’ means a conversion of a watercraft which changes the means of propulsion of the watercraft, involves a major engine modification, or alters the watercraft to such an extent that it may not meet the applicable essential safety and environmental requirements laid down in this Directive.
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Keep digging!

Replacing engines with newer engines of similar power isn't, by any stretch of the imagination (even yours), a "major craft conversion". You should have realised that before posting your ominous warnings.

Incidentally, for someone who only joined the forum 2 months ago, you seem extremely hostile. Were you a member previously, and perhaps were banned?
 
pvb said:
Keep digging!

Replacing engines with newer engines of similar power isn't, by any stretch of the imagination (even yours), a "major craft conversion". You should have realised that before posting your ominous warnings.

Incidentally, for someone who only joined the forum 2 months ago, you seem extremely hostile. Were you a member previously, and perhaps were banned?
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Once again, and for the final time - quite literally the opposite of what I said. I said it was "unlikely but worth checking". That was all. My partner and I have been recently investigating importing a yacht from outside the EEC, and it was during that research that we have educated ourselves with the new, in my opinion over-reaching, compliance rules - that coincidentally do apply retrospectively now (so an older boat can be forced to comply if a major conversion is carried out). The new guidance does leave a lot for interpretation - hence my warning to the OP. I don't make the rules, and I guess you don't either. I don't know how much work is needed in replacing the engines, would an over-jealous marine surveyor decide that, if it needed all new engine bearers, this constituted a structural change? Who bl**dy knows - hence my fair warning, made politely.

I am sorry for trying to help, just goes to show that no good deed goes unpunished. I have no idea how getting free advice and ensuring something is legitimate before starting a project and forking out a load of time and money is ominous - surely the opposite is true, and carrying out due diligence is just sensible? Especially when it is free and relatively easy...?

And stop trying to get a bite - i've never been on the forum before, just returning to sailing after a long hiatus. I don't tolerate fools kindly, especially those who just strike out trying to cause an argument. I'm not being "pro establishment" so you don't have to get all on the "anti-roolz" thing just to prove a point. I agree that the engine change shouldn't be an issue -why can't you agree that checking to be sure might be worth a consideration. Or does Ahab always need his whale???
 
northwind said:
Back to the boat.. did you sell the other Bulldog then Ben? -it had a weird prop setup didn't it?
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Yes. I did. It owed me £8k. Advertised it on facebook market place for £10k and sold it for £8k a week later. Lot of boat for the dosh. It was in a bit of a state. The kitch rudder was a remarkable piece of kit but huge amount of drag.

This boat was £8k. Its immeasurably better. I just have to fit new engines.
 
Moodysailor said:
I leave you with an extract from British Marine specifically regarding the RCD rule change - free on google,
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Here's another one:

"If a recreational craft (having been put on the market/into service) is outside the scope of the RCD, then no modification can bring it into the scope. (i.e. a pre-RCD boat need not be brought into scope by a modification)"

RCD Update: Major Craft Conversion guidance

HTH, HAND.
 
Moodysailor said:
The major conversion clause doesn't have any relevance to the year built, and it's this that has the potential to catch some people out. I don't think it's an issue for you, but I wanted to clarify that the year the vessel was built doesn't matter - if you trigger a major conversion clause, then a PCA (post construction assessment) will be needed for CE approval. Major pain, and possibly big bucks....
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Keep the Leyland badges Ben. The idiots who would enforce this bloody nonsense wouldn't know a Leyland engine from a Camel's arse !
 
Who would care about the engine change , except perhaps insurers who would certainly need to be informed and might require a survey after the replacement engines are fitted. In this respect plenty of photographs of the engine replacement could provide valuable evidence.

The point about exporting and needing a CE plate is however a different matter . If the subject boat was to be exported it would perhaps more easily achieve a CE certificate with modern engines fitted.
 
MartynG said:
Who would care about the engine change , except perhaps insurers who would certainly need to be informed and might require a survey after the replacement engines are fitted. In this respect plenty of photographs of the engine replacement could provide valuable evidence.

The point about exporting and needing a CE plate is however a different matter . If the subject boat was to be exported it would perhaps more easily achieve a CE certificate with modern engines fitted.
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Fairys ?
 
PaulRainbow said:
In your wildest, drink and drug crazed dreams, who do you imagine will be visiting Ben to see if he's fitted new engines ?
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I am not sure if your words are intended as some form of sly insult after my taking an opposing position on your views (that must not be challenged of course) of tinned cable, but I suggest you learn when a light aside has been written, especially as Ben, to whom my comment was specifically addressed, is a personal acquaintance.
 
superheat6k said:
I am not sure if your words are intended as some form of sly insult after my taking an opposing position on your views (that must not be challenged of course) of tinned cable, but I suggest you learn when a light aside has been written, especially as Ben, to whom my comment was specifically addressed, is a personal acquaintance.
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Nothing to do with tinned cable.

Any comments you write here are public, if you wish to specifically address a single individual use the PM system.
 
burgundyben said:
Spares availability.
Smokey older technology.
Efficiency.
They will never be 100% oil tight whereas the replacements will.

Hopefully they are coming out tomorrow.
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Fair enough! Personally, i'd try to keep it original if it's a rare boat, but you've got good practical reasons to change.
 
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