petem
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Why the surly comment? Has the op done something to offend you? You might not agree with his approach but he's an adult and it's his money.
Motorboat Newbie's Change Of Direction
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Why the surly comment? Has the op done something to offend you? You might not agree with his approach but he's an adult and it's his money.
markc
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The OP may look at the world through different eyes and choose to express himself in a way that may seem alien to some, but surely we welcome everyone that has an interest in boats?
Portofino
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I support Darwinism, it’s nice to hear a few others try something different .
I wouldn’t go for the man because I have problems with the content, or the way he writes it up .
Let’s just see if we can stick to the boat bit and refrain from turning this thread into a toxic ugly mess of personal attacks .
He,s having it lifted anyhow .
Older boats are a conveyor belt of repairs n renewals .When a change of owner occurs ,one jumps off t,other jumps on and carries on the process .
I do hope the OP continues to share his adventures with this .:encouragement:
I wouldn’t go for the man because I have problems with the content, or the way he writes it up .
Let’s just see if we can stick to the boat bit and refrain from turning this thread into a toxic ugly mess of personal attacks .
He,s having it lifted anyhow .
Older boats are a conveyor belt of repairs n renewals .When a change of owner occurs ,one jumps off t,other jumps on and carries on the process .
I do hope the OP continues to share his adventures with this .:encouragement:
KINGFISHER 9
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May I refer you to post #3 ?
petem
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We've had some odd threads of late. Capita_R with his hard to believe supply ship conversion, another where someone was concerned about clearing vomit up fro his heads and this one. The first appears to be genuine, the second had a perfectly logical explanation and I see nothing to believe that this one isn't genuine either (the guy even posted a video of himself).
petem
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Good post P. Aren't we all a bit nuts in a way?
BruceK
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Brave, foolhardy, definitely, but that you did so with eyes wide open to the risks is ballsy. It's a compliment, I think you're nuts but have a grudging respect. As before, best of luck with the purchase.
londonrascal
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I’ve not been dishonest, far from it indeed been a little too honest for my own good and was warned about things – e.g. people on this Forum might well be the owner of said boat or Broker so don’t show your cards too much in public. This is why I have had to (and will until at least next Tuesday) keep full details of the boat 'up in the air' until I have the title and then can share what one it is. That is not being deceitful, it is being cautious.
On this particular thread, I did not ask advice (although much was provided) and some I took on board but what seems to grate most amongst people is the fact they see me as either foolish or showing off even, and now dishonest.
I have explained how I am, people have had the opportunity to see and hear me and learn my point of view in video, but it is people’s choice to (a) read and watch what I say and more over (b) take the time out to write out a reply. If you’ve done both of the above then I am happy that something I’ve contributed has had an impact on you for good or bad.
The fact is most people do not just go into something in the fashion I have done. I am sure all those who contribute to this thread have owned many boats over their ‘boating life’. Usually it begins small, works up as their gain confidence and want to explore and do more and at some point reach their ‘pinnacle’ the boat that really fits them as well as any could, and unlike others that may have been sold after a couple of years, this is kept and truly cherished. Perhaps because I have skipped this makes people see me as being foolhardy and having no idea about boating, perhaps there is some truth in that but I really don’t care – I am eager to learn and soak up knowledge, but I’d rather get it from a professional than another’s personal opinion on a topic.
Another issue of shock is the fact I did not get a Survey or Sea Trial, but I fail to see why this is such a surprise. I have seen three Survey reports for Traders alone, and many many others for other boats over the years and to be frank there is an awful lot of waffle contained in them which is templated, much the same as Flood and Environmental reports I get daily they might run to 30 pages, have lots of OS maps and pretty flow charts, but the key information could be put on just 5 pages but 30 pages looks like it is worth the cost and a great deal of time and effort was taken in to their production. And so it is with a Survey report on a boat. The key information you want to know could almost be just bullet points on a card – this is what is wrong and needs sorting out right away and these ones are the advisories but doing that would make anyone paying for them think they had been seriously trifled with and short changed.
It seems to me that from reading many other threads when others have sought advice and information when buying boats, the first issue they encounter is being worried: they worry about the future, it’s depreciation, the running costs, the issues that may come with the boat and so on and as a result go to a large amount of trouble and expense to mitigate against this – almost to convince themselves this is a good-a-buy as they can get and make the deal. However, come outside the ‘buying bubble’ and notice how these Forum’s pages are filled with many hundreds of people seeking advice about problems with their boats, issues with manufactures, problems with engines – you name it – because it all will break, it will go wrong or mess up in some way or another at some point anyway. Once you come to accept that you need to wonder just how bad does it need to be in the first instance when you make the purchase?
For me I’ve accepted this boat is going to need an enormous amount of money spending on her to get her to the level I seek. It’s cool with me, because any boat I would buy would be just the same. So my advice to people is accept the facts and once you have chill out and be happy with life, it is only a boat after all – it is not as if I came to this Forum in some kind of ‘crowd sourced funding offer’ and took £100.00 of everyone and then went off to buy a boat ‘off the shelf’ so to speak without a care and you are now all furious because some of your money could have been wasted, so why does it irk you so that I have done as I have done with my own money?
On this particular thread, I did not ask advice (although much was provided) and some I took on board but what seems to grate most amongst people is the fact they see me as either foolish or showing off even, and now dishonest.
I have explained how I am, people have had the opportunity to see and hear me and learn my point of view in video, but it is people’s choice to (a) read and watch what I say and more over (b) take the time out to write out a reply. If you’ve done both of the above then I am happy that something I’ve contributed has had an impact on you for good or bad.
The fact is most people do not just go into something in the fashion I have done. I am sure all those who contribute to this thread have owned many boats over their ‘boating life’. Usually it begins small, works up as their gain confidence and want to explore and do more and at some point reach their ‘pinnacle’ the boat that really fits them as well as any could, and unlike others that may have been sold after a couple of years, this is kept and truly cherished. Perhaps because I have skipped this makes people see me as being foolhardy and having no idea about boating, perhaps there is some truth in that but I really don’t care – I am eager to learn and soak up knowledge, but I’d rather get it from a professional than another’s personal opinion on a topic.
Another issue of shock is the fact I did not get a Survey or Sea Trial, but I fail to see why this is such a surprise. I have seen three Survey reports for Traders alone, and many many others for other boats over the years and to be frank there is an awful lot of waffle contained in them which is templated, much the same as Flood and Environmental reports I get daily they might run to 30 pages, have lots of OS maps and pretty flow charts, but the key information could be put on just 5 pages but 30 pages looks like it is worth the cost and a great deal of time and effort was taken in to their production. And so it is with a Survey report on a boat. The key information you want to know could almost be just bullet points on a card – this is what is wrong and needs sorting out right away and these ones are the advisories but doing that would make anyone paying for them think they had been seriously trifled with and short changed.
It seems to me that from reading many other threads when others have sought advice and information when buying boats, the first issue they encounter is being worried: they worry about the future, it’s depreciation, the running costs, the issues that may come with the boat and so on and as a result go to a large amount of trouble and expense to mitigate against this – almost to convince themselves this is a good-a-buy as they can get and make the deal. However, come outside the ‘buying bubble’ and notice how these Forum’s pages are filled with many hundreds of people seeking advice about problems with their boats, issues with manufactures, problems with engines – you name it – because it all will break, it will go wrong or mess up in some way or another at some point anyway. Once you come to accept that you need to wonder just how bad does it need to be in the first instance when you make the purchase?
For me I’ve accepted this boat is going to need an enormous amount of money spending on her to get her to the level I seek. It’s cool with me, because any boat I would buy would be just the same. So my advice to people is accept the facts and once you have chill out and be happy with life, it is only a boat after all – it is not as if I came to this Forum in some kind of ‘crowd sourced funding offer’ and took £100.00 of everyone and then went off to buy a boat ‘off the shelf’ so to speak without a care and you are now all furious because some of your money could have been wasted, so why does it irk you so that I have done as I have done with my own money?
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MrB
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Hahahaha, that has been tried a few times on here honestly!! Good luck with your new boat and start a new thread when you get her with plenty of photos. :encouragement:
Nigelpickin
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+ 100
MapisM
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Just remove "a bit" and "in a way", and ABSOLUTELY! would be the only sensible answer to your question...
jrudge
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To not sea trial it yourself is to be honest a bit daft.
I didn't get a survey but i did take it our for an hour and spend a total of 3 hours on it.
I found A LOT that the vendor ended up paying for.
I suppose the thing that gets me in this post is the OP saying how clever he is and how the vendor would not expect a no survey offer etc. Indeed, but remember the vendor knows the boat! The discount was 35k and i have no idea of the purchase price so that maybe a lot or nothing ( I got over double that off but I don't consider myself clever!).
It is the OPs money so fine he can do what he wishes, but there is likely to be some " oh lord" moment when he takes it out and finds out why the offer was accepted!
I would not buy a used car from a main dealer without a run round the block, let alone a boat i had not sea trailed!
Each to there own. Should make an interesting thread in due course!
The boat buying process is stuck in the dark ages, deposits before trial and so on, but surveys and trials are generally a good idea!
The OP wants us to be impressed at his "cunning" but this is rather like the guy with the Ford Escort with under lights and cherry bombs .... most people just roll their eyes.
Good luck.
I didn't get a survey but i did take it our for an hour and spend a total of 3 hours on it.
I found A LOT that the vendor ended up paying for.
I suppose the thing that gets me in this post is the OP saying how clever he is and how the vendor would not expect a no survey offer etc. Indeed, but remember the vendor knows the boat! The discount was 35k and i have no idea of the purchase price so that maybe a lot or nothing ( I got over double that off but I don't consider myself clever!).
It is the OPs money so fine he can do what he wishes, but there is likely to be some " oh lord" moment when he takes it out and finds out why the offer was accepted!
I would not buy a used car from a main dealer without a run round the block, let alone a boat i had not sea trailed!
Each to there own. Should make an interesting thread in due course!
The boat buying process is stuck in the dark ages, deposits before trial and so on, but surveys and trials are generally a good idea!
The OP wants us to be impressed at his "cunning" but this is rather like the guy with the Ford Escort with under lights and cherry bombs .... most people just roll their eyes.
Good luck.
Phildorset
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Congratulations on your purchase, you didn't do it quite the way I or many others did/do, but that's not to say you're wrong, I've bought a few boats, some with surveys, some without (ok small cheap ones), and a couple of surveys I've received have indeed had lots of cut & paste type waffle, general warnings of bits they couldn't test etc... and even some comments that were clearly just wrong, so I get what you're saying about general condition & ongoing maintenance needed anyway. BUT, the cost of putting big diesels right would certainly make me have at least these carefully looked into. It's great that we're all different, and I wish you well with your new boat, exciting times,. Enjoy.
Swordfish
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There is much more about this possible purchase on a more local UK boating forum !
petem
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Really!
When we bought our boat I kept it under my hat until we'd actually completed. Careless talk costs boats
.londonrascal
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The OP wants us to be impressed at his "cunning"
Not at all, not one little bit, I don't think I have been cunning at all but if people wish to think I have or have expressed myself to be that way, so be it but it was not my intention at all.
I just wanted to disrupt the buying process to be on my terms, at my pace at my price. I did this, therefore I am happy.
Do people remember when I was going on about this to begin? All the comments there were and how had replied saying all I sought was 11% off listed price and people told me I could expect to get that sort of reduction anyway, and have a Survey and Sea Trial so why run the risk of not having either? But you see that would not have been on my terms and so once again I have to remind people all this thread is about is me sharing what I am doing. It is not to follow what the mainstream view is, or what is considered 'best practice' and the like nor seek advice about the buying process.
Frankly all this doom and gloom talk of what may be wrong needs to be put in perspective. There are much much smaller things to attend to first, I don't even have a VHF Licence for goodness sake! So to go worrying about what state the engines are in - is down the running order of things I need to do, if their screwed well they will just need to be fixed .
If we go back to when I first joined this Forum I was going to buy a 1991 Fairline 50, have a total re-fit of the interior and re-power. That was the starting point, then it moved up to larger newer Fairline boats and then somehow ended up with Traders when I got reading about them on this Forum and then found some for sale and now I've gone and bought one and once it is moved to Norfolk it won't be seeing much salty water or engine running like most of you guys based in coastal Marina's do but it could if I was so inclined.
Not at all, not one little bit, I don't think I have been cunning at all but if people wish to think I have or have expressed myself to be that way, so be it but it was not my intention at all.
I just wanted to disrupt the buying process to be on my terms, at my pace at my price. I did this, therefore I am happy.
Do people remember when I was going on about this to begin? All the comments there were and how had replied saying all I sought was 11% off listed price and people told me I could expect to get that sort of reduction anyway, and have a Survey and Sea Trial so why run the risk of not having either? But you see that would not have been on my terms and so once again I have to remind people all this thread is about is me sharing what I am doing. It is not to follow what the mainstream view is, or what is considered 'best practice' and the like nor seek advice about the buying process.
Frankly all this doom and gloom talk of what may be wrong needs to be put in perspective. There are much much smaller things to attend to first, I don't even have a VHF Licence for goodness sake! So to go worrying about what state the engines are in - is down the running order of things I need to do, if their screwed well they will just need to be fixed .
If we go back to when I first joined this Forum I was going to buy a 1991 Fairline 50, have a total re-fit of the interior and re-power. That was the starting point, then it moved up to larger newer Fairline boats and then somehow ended up with Traders when I got reading about them on this Forum and then found some for sale and now I've gone and bought one and once it is moved to Norfolk it won't be seeing much salty water or engine running like most of you guys based in coastal Marina's do but it could if I was so inclined.
londonrascal
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There is much more about this possible purchase on a more local UK boating forum !
There is even a super secret video on You Tube of this - all will be made clear in time.. I am sure people have been keeping eyes on listings of those for sale and which have gone to 'under offer' so it hardly secret really is it.
There is even a super secret video on You Tube of this - all will be made clear in time.. I am sure people have been keeping eyes on listings of those for sale and which have gone to 'under offer' so it hardly secret really is it.
Sticky Fingers
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I'm thinking he's bought the Eastbourne one.
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MrB
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This one? Looks well looked after. http://www.bateswharf.co.uk/used-boats/boat-details/?BoatID=3261992
londonrascal
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