More Spanish matriculation tax news

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John, I don't know why you and James are SHOUTING?

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No Mike

Its just that at Sant Carles we just have so much to shout about!!!

Seriously though - its a great group of people gathered in a really quiet/sleepy part of Spain.

I was talking to SWMBO only the other day - driving round the town, I've never seen an angry person - the town has a really relaxed atmosphere - no hussle bussle - just a nice quiet Spanish holiday seaside town.
 
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I've never seen an angry person

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There are a lot of angry boatowners in the Balearics at the moment, me included /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
 
Mike, NO, not aggressive, not my style, just a bit of levity having seen James battered! Lighten up, we're a happy lot here in SCM but if you upset one of us...... (just kidding again).

Levity aside, most of us are very sad indeed to hear of the plight of our fellow boaters in the balearics. You say that no one is suggesting that we may be hit, but clearly some are! Why am I so optimistic? I would rather see the glass as half full.

Finally, clearly you have not visited us here at SCM lately, you are of course most welcome, lots of boats here now! I am told there are only 2 spare berths left on the three pontoons where I am located! /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
 
any idea how many are effected by this and are there any other country in the med doing the same thing with tax. Reason i ask is that i'm in the process of buying a yacht and was planning on a little chartering to help pay whilst i'm not using it ! does anybody else on here do the same !!
 
As a general rule "doing a bit of chartering" is a mugs game. In most countries you have to comply with local requirements to get a licence. There is generally over supply so your chances of getting any significant business are low. Unless you have a ready source of clients you need an agent - good ones often have full books of existing boats. Additional insurance, running costs and potential damage further eat into any income.

I had my (sail) boat on charter for a full year with a major operator in Greece getting a high level of bookings and earning generally market rates. Cleared just under 4k Euros.

Moneys will of course be different on a big MOBO but principle is the same.
 
In my case it's probably age related /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif

However I have had several non boaty friends sending me links to press articles which have all repeated a load of nonsense written about those living on board for years in Torrevieja who have been 'persecuted' by the Spanish authorities. Quite clearly those concerned were Spanish resident, but one ill informed article started a load of speculation and reports of foreign boats leaving Spain in droves. It was even copied word for word in the Telegraph.

Rumours rather than the facts reported in this topic can do a lot of damage, so I reacted once those were beginning to appear, having seen it all before.
 
We too used to do day charters, firstly in Malta in 1969, when we took the overspill from our neighbours who had a contract with the Hilton and Sheraton hotels. We decided to stop as the local trip boats were starting to show an interest and were cutting us up somewhat. No doubt we were illegal and Dom Mintoff had a reputation for being anti foreigner.

Later in 1974 we did the same with the boat in my avatar from Port Grimaud, by arrangement with the port captain who enjoyed the free beers that came his way as comission.

We were moored right in front of a police post who were not at all interested, however I eventually found out that there was a special department of the Douanes who dealt with these things. So again we gave it up.

Really it can only be a hobby for smaller boats anyway, so not worth upsetting the authorities.

The part I enjoyed most was the beautiful French ladies in Grimaud, who would so politely ask if it would be alright for them to remove the top of their bikinis.
 
I've never seen an angry person - the town has a really relaxed atmosphere....
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Do you know Mike thats right! We had a very good meal at the local Japenese last week, as we left, a Spanish couple gave us a warm smile and wished us good night!

As you know, I am on the end of 'N' pontoon and I get a wave from almost all local boats as they round me. Definately anti-xenophobic here, and we are in Catalonia, very refreshing! :cool:
 
Thankyou for posting that. It is the first detailed description of the legal position written by a fully qualified lawyer which has been posted in all the various threads on the subject.

It confirms that this tax is not applicable to a private non-resident owner of a boat moored in Spain.

The only possible doubt that could arise is over the definition of Resident, but I would think that this has to mean resident for taxation purposes, rather than a temporary residence of over 90 days.

Does anyone disagree with that?:)
 
JamesFrance said:
Thankyou for posting that. It is the first detailed description of the legal position written by a fully qualified lawyer which has been posted in all the various threads on the subject.


You are most welcome.

Hopefully it clears up one or two questions.....
Now if the tax man could take a look at it and tell the boat owners (who chartered via the agents - who did the paperwork via the MCA and Balearic Authorities) where exactly they stand we could close this thread!
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JamesFrance said:
Thankyou for posting that. It is the first detailed description of the legal position written by a fully qualified lawyer which has been posted in all the various threads on the subject.

It confirms that this tax is not applicable to a private non-resident owner of a boat moored in Spain.

The only possible doubt that could arise is over the definition of Resident, but I would think that this has to mean resident for taxation purposes, rather than a temporary residence of over 90 days.

Does anyone disagree with that?:)
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As it happens, Carlos Espinosa is the lawyor acting on my behalf (when he gets his finger out) in respect of my matriculation tax problems. I don't think it tells us anything that we don't know already. Boat owners who do not offer their boats for charter and who don't qualify as a Spanish tax resident (more than 183 days per year in the country) don't have to pay the tax and there never was any doubt about that
 
Smir

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....and I see Gibraltar getting busier!

This could also make Marina Smir (Morocco) the busiest Superyacht Marina in the Area.

Bad news for any new Marina Developer....Right next to the Gib Border is a huge Marina being built in Spain for the wealthy Gib workers and residents. However most were going to be bought by people who would charter out thir boats. (people I have talked to) Sales have been a lot slower than expected, mind you they are not reducing prices yet.

Marina Alcaidesa HERE

With 22% Unemployment on the CDS they really do not want to enact the MAT tax here...but no doubt they will.

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We saw Smir get suddenly busier this Feb - didn't give it much thought, just wondered why...until now.
 
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As it happens, Carlos Espinosa is the lawyor acting on my behalf (when he gets his finger out) in respect of my matriculation tax problems. I don't think it tells us anything that we don't know already. Boat owners who do not offer their boats for charter and who don't qualify as a Spanish tax resident (more than 183 days per year in the country) don't have to pay the tax and there never was any doubt about that
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This is what I have always believed, but others still do have doubts and intend to avoid Spain.

The Valencian property grab has caused a lack of trust in the Spanish legal system, so that is not surprising really.

I'm sorry to hear that your problems are still continuing, your treatment has been unfair to say the least.
 
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