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Having eventually fixed our fridge I looked at the list of outstanding jobs and thought I’d better get on with sorting out an area of the saloon floor that’s gone a bit springy and sagged. It’s been like it for eight or nine months and I’ve put off tackling it.. I’d initially assumed that one of the bits of softwood framing that supports the teak and holly ply floor panels had broken or rotted and so I’d brought a bit of hardwood back out to the boat with me at Christmas before we crossed to Barbados. I’d got the dimensions wrong but fellow Forumite Bajansailor who lives in Barbados very kindly got a friend of his to run it through his table saw to make it the correct dimensions.

Like many boat jobs, this one turned into a bigger job than I expected. I removed some teak trim and found that a section of 18mm bulkhead tabbed to the hull was delaminating. The brass fastenings that held the framing to it had rotted away and the whole thing was a mess.

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My initial thought was to wonder if I could get away with injecting glue down the delaminated section and clamping if together? A bit of prodding showed that it was too far gone.

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The scraps of wood are where it all started to fall apart when I probed with my fingers.

Out with the multi-tool and start removing the old glass tabbing. This is where I remembered that when we bought the boat 18 years ago, the survey picked up a fault in this area and asked for the tabbing to be reinforced. I was removing not only the original tabbing, but the attempt by the GRP specialist we’d brought in at the time to tab over the top of it.

After a lot of cutting and chiselling I got the old bit of bulkhead out.

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The hull area was cleaned up and a pattern made for the new bit of ply. We’re currently in Rodney Bay Marina, St Lucia so I wondered round to the boat yard and did a deal for an off cut of ply ($EC 10 or about £3).

There are a couple of ways you can cut a bit to the correct shape. Joggling is one but for this small bit a cardboard template sufficed.

I then discovered what I feared. I couldn’t get the new one into place because of things in the way. I had to cut a step scarf in the longitudinal bearer to gain access.

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With the new bit of plywood fitted, the edges were coated in epoxy and a fillet of thickened epoxy added to both sides.

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Then it was just a matter of adding several layers of woven glass matting to either side to tab the ply into place and secure it properly. I tried to overlap at the ends when possible to secure it to the existing bulkhead.

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Todays job is to rebuild the frame and prep for painting. Then there’s lots of teak trim to refit and varnish.
More to follow if anyone is interested?
 

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One disappointment was that I tried to scrounge a paper cup off a cafe we use regularly. ‘Those are for our takeaway customers’ was the reply.

Another lesson. Even using slow hardener isn’t very slow in tropical heat. Three times, small amounts I mixed started to smoke and go off before I could use it all.
 

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Having eventually fixed our fridge I looked at the list of outstanding jobs and thought I’d better get on with sorting out an area of the saloon floor that’s gone a bit springy and sagged. It’s been like it for eight or nine months and I’ve put off tackling it.. I’d initially assumed that one of the bits of softwood framing that supports the teak and holly ply floor panels had broken or rotted and so I’d brought a bit of hardwood back out to the boat with me at Christmas before we crossed to Barbados. I’d got the dimensions wrong but fellow Forumite Bajansailor who lives in Barbados very kindly got a friend of his to run it through his table saw to make it the correct dimensions.

Like many boat jobs, this one turned into a bigger job than I expected. I removed some teak trim and found that a section of 18mm bulkhead tabbed to the hull was delaminating. The brass fastenings that held the framing to it had rotted away and the whole thing was a mess.

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My initial thought was to wonder if I could get away with injecting glue down the delaminated section and clamping if together? A bit of prodding showed that it was too far gone.

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The scraps of wood are where it all started to fall apart when I probed with my fingers.

Out with the multi-tool and start removing the old glass tabbing. This is where I remembered that when we bought the boat 18 years ago, the survey picked up a fault in this area and asked for the tabbing to be reinforced. I was removing not only the original tabbing, but the attempt by the GRP specialist we’d brought in at the time to tab over the top of it.

After a lot of cutting and chiselling I got the old bit of bulkhead out.

View attachment 156270

The hull area was cleaned up and a pattern made for the new bit of ply. We’re currently in Rodney Bay Marina, St Lucia so I wondered round to the boat yard and did a deal for an off cut of ply ($EC 10 or about £3).

There are a couple of ways you can cut a bit to the correct shape. Joggling is one but for this small bit a cardboard template sufficed.

I then discovered what I feared. I couldn’t get the new one into place because of things in the way. I had to cut a step scarf in the longitudinal bearer to gain access.

View attachment 156271

With the new bit of plywood fitted, the edges were coated in epoxy and a fillet of thickened epoxy added to both sides.

View attachment 156272

Then it was just a matter of adding several layers of woven glass matting to either side to tab the ply into place and secure it properly. I tried to overlap at the ends when possible to secure it to the existing bulkhead.

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Todays job is to rebuild the frame and prep for painting. Then there’s lots of teak trim to refit and varnish.
More to follow if anyone is interested?
This is just the sort of info we need
 

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One disappointment was that I tried to scrounge a paper cup off a cafe we use regularly. ‘Those are for our takeaway customers’ was the reply.

Another lesson. Even using slow hardener isn’t very slow in tropical heat. Three times, small amounts I mixed started to smoke and go off before I could use it all.
You can slow the hardening process by spreading the mix in a thin film on a tray.
 

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Must be the day for grp work. Lifted out my Trojan batteries do do some modifications to the way they are secured and found a crack around two sides of the battery box floor. I guess 43 years of 1/4 ton of batteries bouncing around takes its toll. Grinder, epoxy fillets and glass should fix it
 

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One disappointment was that I tried to scrounge a paper cup off a cafe we use regularly. ‘Those are for our takeaway customers’ was the reply.

Another lesson. Even using slow hardener isn’t very slow in tropical heat. Three times, small amounts I mixed started to smoke and go off before I could use it all.
My last but one boat I sprayed in Imron (industrial) two pack in the subtropics. Iirc The cure inhibitor cost about a third as much as the polyurethane . But without it we would never have got it done under any semblance of control ..( I was allowed to spray the spars , my pro mates did the hull 😄)


And wrt fixing generally,
my strap line used to be “ Improving perfectly good boats” .
But it is always worth it eh
Nice job✅
 
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I’d give a lot for a few hours use of a Tormek sharpener though. I’ve got a honing guide and oilstone on board but polishing the back and edge to get a decent edge of my chisels and plane blade is taking me ages. I then managed to muck up a joint slightly. It won’t alter the price of fish but it’s annoying. Also I appear to have altered the height of the floor by a few mm in one corner. The rotten bit I removed was in such a poor state I couldn’t mark a decent reference to build the new frame to.
 

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I’d give a lot for a few hours use of a Tormek sharpener though. I’ve got a honing guide and oilstone on board but polishing the back and edge to get a decent edge of my chisels and plane blade is taking me ages. I then managed to muck up a joint slightly. It won’t alter the price of fish but it’s annoying. Also I appear to have altered the height of the floor by a few mm in one corner. The rotten bit I removed was in such a poor state I couldn’t mark a decent reference to build the new frame to.
Have you popped in to Profix? Good wee place catering mainly for trades by the looks of it.
 

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I’d give a lot for a few hours use of a Tormek sharpener though. I’ve got a honing guide and oilstone on board but polishing the back and edge to get a decent edge of my chisels and plane blade is taking me ages. I then managed to muck up a joint slightly. It won’t alter the price of fish but it’s annoying. Also I appear to have altered the height of the floor by a few mm in one corner. The rotten bit I removed was in such a poor state I couldn’t mark a decent reference to build the new frame to.
Sounds pretty good though

I do wonder if we set ourselves work to finer tolerances than the builder had ever envisaged sometimes … ?

When I had a Corribee and then the guy running Paynes boatyard -who had actually worked at Newbridge boats- said ah yours is one of the later ones from the shagged out mould with the twisted transom … wtf 😳🥲
I still loved that boat as much as one could love a thing ..didn’t owe me a single penny

Feel better now ?
 

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I’d give a lot for a few hours use of a Tormek sharpener though. I’ve got a honing guide and oilstone on board but polishing the back and edge to get a decent edge of my chisels and plane blade is taking me ages. I then managed to muck up a joint slightly. It won’t alter the price of fish but it’s annoying. Also I appear to have altered the height of the floor by a few mm in one corner. The rotten bit I removed was in such a poor state I couldn’t mark a decent reference to build the new frame to.
Your boat is sounding more like a workshop than a floaty thing, it's better equipped than many on here will own up to in their homes let alone boats.
 
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