Moral conundrum

Rob_Webb

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The earlier thread about 'Buying Ability' got me thinking about a moral conundrum that many of us might face regarding the welfare of our crew.

I have been sailing for about 25 years and would consider myself 'experienced' in the conventional sense (lot's of channel crossings, good doses of heavy weather passages, various 'learning experiences', raced the Fastnet etc).

In this sense, I would happily sail my boat single-handed. If the worst did happen and I fell overboard and couldn't recover myself, I would be resigned to a watery grave. My only parting concern would be that my (now empty) boat didn't cause harm to anyone else. I am master of my own destiny, I accept the risks but my number has come up today. Game over.

But if I was sailing with inexperienced crew aboard, my departure over the side would potentially lead to harm to them if they were unable to cope with the conditions at the time. Forgetting my own position, I would now be stricken with guilt and concern over the prospects for my friends/love ones left aboard if conditions were against them. The analogy of a small passenger aircraft losing it's only pilot to illness springs to mind.

Now, I might be painting a darker picture here than necessary and I would hope that I have taught my crew enough to be able to limp back to shelter, or at least get on the radio and ask for help if required.

But being honest, how many of us REALLY consider the consequences of the skipper disappearing permanently over the side. Because if you conclude that your crew are too inexperienced to handle the resulting situation, a strange moral dilemma emerges:

Namely, that you might consider it SAFE to set sail on a particular voyage singlehanded, but UNSAFE to take extra crew with you! This feels counter-intuitive, because surely more crew = more safety? But, for the reasons of crew welfare outlined above, the opposite might actually be true!

Now, on a warm, calm, sunny day I am not going to dwell on this when setting out from Studland Bay back to the Needles under engine, with my crew sunbathing on deck. But, and here is the rub, when conditions start to blow up a bit, at what point do I decide that it is now unsafe for me to do the same trip with the same crew on board? In other words, how do I objectively identify the point at which this becomes a go/no-go decision.

Mmmmmmmm.

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Same here, always wear a harness when the family is on board! I think you have the same dilemna in all sorts of things eg there are some mountain walks I'd be happy to do alone but I would'nt take my family on.
 

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OK, maybe I over-simplified it by focussing on the overboard scenario - the skipper could become effectively 'absent' for a number of other reasons in addition to falling overboard, such as head injury from a nasty gybe, acute illness etc.
 

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OK - you're right to worry, I do - Got me thinking, perhaps a quick session showing how to transmit on the radio is needed for persons on board- Certainly in our crowded waters, assistance would soon arrive!!

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Don't get me wrong, it wasn't meant to be a doom & gloom message that people should be nervous wrecks about this stuff..... but I just wonder whether I sometimes bury my head in the sand under the false bravado of "it'll be fine/we'll make it no problem/no need to turn back etc"!
 
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I think we all assess situations almost sub conciously most of the time and that the quality of descisions taken improves with experience.
but i agree more fundamental changes have to be made now and again.for me this was sailing with a 5 year old daughter after 15 years of just my wife and i.
Lifejackets and harness are far more often worn and our yacht is rigged for single handed sailing as you have to assume when you need help it wont be available due to 'childcare' duties.
 

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DSC to the rescue

Fit a DSC radio and plumb it into the GPS.

As soon as any crew about whom you have competency doubts steps aboard, show then the radio. "If anything happens to me, you lift this catch and press this red button for five seconds. Then a nice person from the coastguard will come on the radio and talk to you. To reply pick up this microphone, push this switch, talk to him and let go of the switch."

Not only will it save your hapless passenger, but it should get you saved as well.
 

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So the weathers bad (ish) so you dont go. You pack your Family (or friends) back in the car and drive home. On the way home you have a heart attack, at the wheel and everyones wiped out.
Lets all stay in bed, wrap ourselves in cotton wool, and die in a house fire.
Where does it end?
Life can be dangerous. You just have to use your best judgement, and air on the side of safety. Or make sure that everyone else does the dangerous stuff and you keep yourself safe?
 

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Viking more or less sums it up Rob. The fact remains that responsible folk like you take lots of precautions in what is a totally unregulated activity. There are far more people taking greater risks on the road each day and so on.

I am crewing on a delivery trip to Cork next week and being asked to sign a disclaimer against the owner, which I am prepared to do, but maybe this is your answer to the moral connundrum, apart from the family of course.

People get scared when flying but I remember my days as a helicopter engineer/technician when, following major surgery or repairs you would always go on the initial test flight 'cause the pilot wouldn't fly it if the engineer wouldn't go in it. Same principle extends in these situations more or less.
 

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You're the skipper , Rob , and call all the shots. You also pick the crew. If I take a group of mates on a lad's weekend away I never go unless I have one experienced crew who can take over and can do all the things a skipper does . It doesn't have to be anything like life and death that causes the skipper to be incapacitated - a bad oyster in Cherbourg can do it.
 

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I wish I had insisted on the same approach as your chopper pilots - last year I took a Piper up solo after the engineer had declared the intermittent engine problem 'cured & airworthy' - I promptly fell out the sky with engine failure! Interestingly, this aviation incident was the only time I've ever issued a genuine 'Mayday', despite 25 yrs of sailing!
 

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Ditto. Heavy gaff cutter, wife plus 7 year old and 7 month old.

It was easy without the children, but a mother is, always, going to have her mind on the children - and rightly so!

When we first went off with the brats aboard, I sswanned out onto the bowsprit to clear a jib, without a harness, then I realised - "what if".....and went back and clipped on!

The point about DSC is a very good one. must start saving up now.
 

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Interesting. I've recently returned from a few days with an experienced acquaintance, with a fine boat, who clearly had reservations about we two going beyond day sailing range - i.e. an overnight passage which might encounter lumpy conditions, to some fairly distant isles.
He clearly didn't want the responsibility of getting the decision right for someone he hadn't sailed with before, despite my 30 years of sound experience, and my Ocean YM-Comm bit of paper. I'm not 'miffed'. That properly was a decision for him to get right. I'd have been content - more or less - either way.

But I'm curious.

Clearly, there are several 'right' decisions, and several 'wrong' ones. The important point is that were no 'tears before bedtime'.

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