MOBO's on a roll

[landaftaf]

Re: MOBO\'s on a roll

if you mean this rule

c)If there is sufficient sea room, alteration of course alone may be the most effective action to avoid a close-quarters situation provided that it is made in good time, is substantial and does not result in another close-quarters situation.

it is refering to the action taken by the give way vessel, but of course you knew that, you are being obtuse for some reason known only to yourself.
the yacht may alter his course at any time - but at a subsequent inquiry he would have to account for his actions. I assume you know this as well ........

 

[Mike21]

Re: MOBO\'s on a roll

Doesn't specifically say that it applies to a giveway vessel, that's an assumption

 

[Ships_Cat]

Re: MOBO\'s on a roll

I agree, Part 8 f(iii) specifically requires the vessel that is not to be impeded to comply with Part 8 if the 2 vessels are approaching as to risk collision, just as it does to the vessel that is not to impede it.

John

 

[landaftaf]

Re: MOBO\'s on a roll

'Action to avoid Collision' is a guide as to what it is refering too, the stand on vessel isnt supposed to take any until the actions of the give way vessel alone are deemed not to avoid a collision .....

i.e. The latter vessel may however take action to avoid collision by her manoeuvre alone, as soon as it becomes apparent to her that the vessel required to keep out of the way is not taking appropriate action in compliance with these Rules.

that doesnt imply she can alter into the path of an overtaking vessel which is passing clear, it does mean the overtaken vessel is able to tack whilst being overtaken, as the give way vessel must allow for such a contingincy when deciding what is a safe maneuver whilst overtaking ..... including the possibilirt of the yacht altering towards her .....

its becoming rather like a monty python sketch ....... do you want a 5 min argument or 10 minute argument !

without wishing to sound rude or personal, as its not my intention to do either .... I am beginning to wonder what level of understanding is required to pass recreational examinations on the rule of the road.
fyi a single failure in a commercial examination on the colregs results in instant failure, is it the same in recreational colreg exams?
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[Mike21]

Re: MOBO\'s on a roll

That's the problem isn't it, one assumption that the mobo is overtaking, when due to the angle of a tack if the angle is greater than 22.5 degrees, it's a crossing situation

Also what is sufficient room to tack, the contention of some on here is that it is only possible to tack using the full width available. I'm sure we could carry on if you wish quoting various rules and making different interpretations of them, depending on any assumptions made

Using assumptions, I thought the rules were written to prevent collisions and also that everyone was expected to show some commonsense

For modern times I suspect they need to be re-written

Oh by the way, commisserations /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif

 

[Bergman]

Re:With respect

I think both of you gentlemen have missed the point I was trying to make.

I didn't seek to resume the debate on overtaking, but rather to try to highlight the point that where you get a large number of craft of varying sizes and speeds in a confined space then the existing rules are not really geared to cope with the situations that can and do develop.

What I wanted to illustrate was that at any one time a vessel can be the overtaking and the overtaken vessel whilst simultaneously being involved in an avoidance manouvre. I think it is clear that the rules were drafted without due consideration to vessels operating in such high traffic densities.

I would suggest that a similar situation exists with large commercial vessels in the approaches to busy ports, which is why such ports invariably have a VTS operation to manage traffic flows.