Tamar
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I stand corrected. I missed the self tacking part. You have my apologies. Apart from hardening the main sheets your approach is sound.
MOB in a self-tacker with an inexperienced crew
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scotty123
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But hardening the main, will drive the boat away from the casualty, when you should always stay.
Tamar
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That's very true, but with a swinging boom and an inexperienced crew you could soon have more casualties. Best get the main down quickly if possible whilst someone keeps an eye on the casualty.
It's a nightmare senario even with an experienced crew. And what a lot of people forget to do is to turn the engine off as Soon as the casualty is alongside.
Buck Turgidson
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First thing would be pressing the red button of course.
Then for a non sailor alone I would think the best chance would be to get a "lifesling/lifelink". like this
Show them how to start the engine and make the boat go in a large circle with the sails as is. Obviously the hazard is the boom so highlight the gybe part. Then show them how to point into wind and put the engine in neutral.
There is a good chance you will at least have hold of a line attached to the boat.
The rest is in the lap of the gods as if you're unable to help yourself back on board you're probably going to dangle until either a) Hypothermia or b) someone else shows up to help.
Then for a non sailor alone I would think the best chance would be to get a "lifesling/lifelink". like this
Show them how to start the engine and make the boat go in a large circle with the sails as is. Obviously the hazard is the boom so highlight the gybe part. Then show them how to point into wind and put the engine in neutral.
There is a good chance you will at least have hold of a line attached to the boat.
The rest is in the lap of the gods as if you're unable to help yourself back on board you're probably going to dangle until either a) Hypothermia or b) someone else shows up to help.
scotty123
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So, you have inexperienced crew up on deck, with a swinging boom, no idea how to drop the main & secure it & that is supposed to be safe?
scotty123
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But the skipper is in the water, how is he going to show his crew how to do anything?
They are inexperienced.
Tamar
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This could go on all night ?
scotty123
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Well read & digest my original post, endorsed by capsensible an experienced pro sailor, then try it yourself first.
Tamar
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Another time maybe.
Resolution
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Some years ago I was crewing on a Beneteau in the China Sea Race when we were hit by a breaking wave and rolled. Not 180 degrees, but far enough to knock the boat down, mast deeply into the sea. I had been clipped on on the leeward side and was struck by the helmsman falling across the whole cockpit. Together we burst the guard wire/ lifelines and went into the sea. I came to Underwater being strangled by my life jacket and With a strobe flashing in my face. Bit scary. But with all the adrenaline and being a young and fit I hauled myself back on board very quickly ( as did the helm). So it is possible IF you are agile and scared. Which was just as well, because when the boat came upright it crash jibed, fell over again and then shredded the genny. No way any of the crew were in a state to go through MOB procedures for several minutes.
Moral of the story: stay clipped on.
Moral of the story: stay clipped on.
Yellow Ballad
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Ben, sell the boat, I might sell mine reading this. I hoped you stopped reading at post 20 
Stemar
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Then you'll get clobbered by an artic on the M25.... When I lived in London, I always thought the most dangerous part of my weekend's sailing was going round the M25.Ben, sell the boat, I might sell mine reading this. I hoped you stopped reading at post 20
Keep things in perspective. If you're normally prudent, the chances are it'll never happen under way. The most likely time to find yourself swimming is going out to the boat on a mooring - getting into the dinghy, or getting onto the boat at the other end.
Buck Turgidson
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LOL!
The optimum solution would be to show the crew whilst the skipper is still on board!! But you knew that right?
scotty123
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Non boaters, getting a lesson on how to handle a small boat & able to implement/act on?
Seems like a CC & DS syllabus, so unrealistic for a simple daysail imo.
Buck Turgidson
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What exactly do they need to know in order to deploy a life sling and motor/sail in a circle with a self tacking jib?
1) how to open a Velcro flap and throw the contents over the side.
2) how to start the engine, put it in gear and take it out of gear
3) how to turn the wheel/tiller
that’s it.
1) how to open a Velcro flap and throw the contents over the side.
2) how to start the engine, put it in gear and take it out of gear
3) how to turn the wheel/tiller
that’s it.
scotty123
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Really?
Buck Turgidson
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Yes and #2 is optional
scotty123
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So, your skipper in MoB & your panicking inexperienced crew are expected to do all that, as well as keep an eye on the guy in the water? Where is he?
I wish you luck.
Daydream believer
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I do not know what Cardiff Bay is like, but on the east coast I am based on the River Blackwater, (but there is the Orwell & Stour for some). I would either take an experienced sailor along, or at least stay in the river. There is plenty to do & see. No need to be a hero with beginners as it would probably only frighten them anyway.
I wear a PLB & carry 10 mini flares on the LJ. I would show the crew how to start the engine & use the radio at minimum. Instructions are on the back of the chart table lid. If I was separated I would just set off the PLB, Fire off flares every so often, ( hoping I did not drop any) & I know that there is a good chance the boat would run aground after a while so the crew would get help eventually. I could put the hand held VHF in my jacket if I wanted to.
In the river I could survive for a couple of hours- I know because I have spent hours in it whilst windsurfing & dinghy sailing. I would not expect to be taking beginners in early season in cold conditions. There is a good chance I might end up on a sandbank, I have in the past.
People watch the river & hopefully I should be seen eventually, as would a boat doing odd things.
I wear a PLB & carry 10 mini flares on the LJ. I would show the crew how to start the engine & use the radio at minimum. Instructions are on the back of the chart table lid. If I was separated I would just set off the PLB, Fire off flares every so often, ( hoping I did not drop any) & I know that there is a good chance the boat would run aground after a while so the crew would get help eventually. I could put the hand held VHF in my jacket if I wanted to.
In the river I could survive for a couple of hours- I know because I have spent hours in it whilst windsurfing & dinghy sailing. I would not expect to be taking beginners in early season in cold conditions. There is a good chance I might end up on a sandbank, I have in the past.
People watch the river & hopefully I should be seen eventually, as would a boat doing odd things.
Tamar
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Buck you can't win against this guy ?