Missing yachtswoman in South west.

jimi said:
I've sailed with Brian, and can verify his claim. He is by no means exceptional , though, just an elderly unfit chap like the rest of us!
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you sailed with him , so how do you know he can do 20 hours without feeling real tiredness or also have plenty of stamina after that 20 hours ,on his own.

after all sailing on ones own is the issue here.
 
chris46 said:
do me a favour,
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You come across as a very rude know it all, in 10, or is it 12 years of posting on these forums I've never had cause to post details of my own sailing experience before.

I've made 6 Transats on my own small boat all single or short handed, I've made 2 Transats as skipper on other peoples boats, I've made 3 Trans-Meds on my own boats. I've crossed Biscay umpteen times, very recently I sailed my boat from Mallorca to Portugal encountering some testing weather! I've owned and sailed a variety of boats from a 17 foot Silhouette to a 43 foot Oyster and including a 40 foot catamaran too. I'm an RYA Yachtmaster (since 1984).

I'm sure there are forumites with more experience and i'm not intentionally bragging but even if you personally have more experience than me,it still doesn't alter the fact i have enough experience and knowledge of my own capabilities so please desist from trying to tell me that I couldn't hack an 18 hour watch. I have the experience to KNOW I can and I have done lots of times!

Cheers, Brian.
 
prv said:
For what it's worth, I'm with Minn here. I wasn't talking about 20 hours on the helm, I was talking about 20 hours on watch. They're not the same thing.

I wouldn't sail singlehanded without an autopilot. I carry two tillerpilots on KS to make sure I'm never forced to.

Pete
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As has been said though, different people are fine with different things. I'd be hopeless after a few hours but could probably muddle through in an emergency. I do know other people though who are fine with it, one who is over 60 who recently sailed Scillies to Holyhead solo in one go.
For the trip in question, a rest could be taken once on the north coast stretch which is relatively straight. Given the situation though, we're actually only talking about a few hours so tiredness after 20 hours doesn't come into it really.
 
Wandering Star said:
You come across as a very rude know it all, in 10, or is it 12 years of posting on these forums I've never had cause to post details of my own sailing experience before.

I've made 6 Transats on my own small boat all single or short handed, I've made 2 Transats as skipper on other peoples boats, I've made 3 Trans-Meds on my own boats. I've crossed Biscay umpteen times, very recently I sailed my boat from Mallorca to Portugal encountering some testing weather! I've owned and sailed a variety of boats from a 17 foot Silhouette to a 43 foot Oyster and including a 40 foot catamaran too. I'm an RYA Yachtmaster (since 1984).

I'm sure there are forumites with more experience and i'm not intentionally bragging but even if you personally have more experience than me,it still doesn't alter the fact i have enough experience and knowledge of my own capabilities so please desist from trying to tell me that I couldn't hack an 18 hour watch. I have the experience to KNOW I can and I have done lots of times!

Cheers, Brian.
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not at all,i was merely saying i found that claim of being "a little tired" and having "plenty of stamina left" after 20 hours at the helm non stop on your own ,somewhat exaggerated.
sorry i must have touched a nerve ,my apologies
 
Wandering Star said:
You come across as a very rude know it all, in 10, or is it 12 years of posting on these forums I've never had cause to post details of my own sailing experience before.

I've made 6 Transats on my own small boat all single or short handed, I've made 2 Transats as skipper on other peoples boats, I've made 3 Trans-Meds on my own boats. I've crossed Biscay umpteen times, very recently I sailed my boat from Mallorca to Portugal encountering some testing weather! I've owned and sailed a variety of boats from a 17 foot Silhouette to a 43 foot Oyster and including a 40 foot catamaran too. I'm an RYA Yachtmaster (since 1984).

I'm sure there are forumites with more experience and i'm not intentionally bragging but even if you personally have more experience than me,it still doesn't alter the fact i have enough experience and knowledge of my own capabilities so please desist from trying to tell me that I couldn't hack an 18 hour watch. I have the experience to KNOW I can and I have done lots of times!

Cheers, Brian.
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WTF do you know then
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Wandering Star said:
You come across as a very rude know it all, in 10, or is it 12 years of posting on these forums I've never had cause to post details of my own sailing experience before.

I've made 6 Transats on my own small boat all single or short handed, I've made 2 Transats as skipper on other peoples boats, I've made 3 Trans-Meds on my own boats. I've crossed Biscay umpteen times, very recently I sailed my boat from Mallorca to Portugal encountering some testing weather! I've owned and sailed a variety of boats from a 17 foot Silhouette to a 43 foot Oyster and including a 40 foot catamaran too. I'm an RYA Yachtmaster (since 1984).

I'm sure there are forumites with more experience and i'm not intentionally bragging but even if you personally have more experience than me,it still doesn't alter the fact i have enough experience and knowledge of my own capabilities so please desist from trying to tell me that I couldn't hack an 18 hour watch. I have the experience to KNOW I can and I have done lots of times!

Cheers, Brian.
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Nonsense - you've done none of that, I know because I was on my couch the whole time ;)
 
I've not read all this thread but would like to make the following observations.
A fellow sailor may have perished which is a terrible tragedy and my thoughts and sympathies are with her loved ones.
Although some of the facts about the lead up to the passage are known, many of them are not, so considered comment is impossible.
Very few details of the passage are known, most of them are not, so considered comment is impossible.
Some general comments.
I have done similar trips many times, usually from Newlyn to Cardiff. I am happy to sail single handed for up to 36 hours, without sleep. Having done many solo passages of over 24 hours, I know that I am safe at the end of those passages, as long as full preparations have been done.
We are all different, I have sailed with one guy, who can't sleep whilst sailing and trust his judgement for up to 48 hours. I know people who whose judgement seems to suffer after only a short time without sleep. (I think most of us know people who we wouldn't trust no matter how much sleep they have had!).
Things go wrong in all aspects of life, how we try to avoid problems and how we cope with them when they happen is the key to survival.
Allan
 
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chris46 said:
you see ,you are now misrepresenting what has been said to furthur you argument,we did not say it was "a fact" that he definately could not do what he said,i was doubting that he would feel only " a bit tired " after 20 hours at sea at the helm on his own .
also i was doubting that after said 20 hours he would have "plenty of stamina left"
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It's a question of planning and risk mitigation really, isn't it? Planning a passage, of whatever length, that will leave you close to your limit is not responsible planning - when something goes wrong, you have no safety margin. On a sailing boat with two or more crew, the limiting factor is stocks of food and water - you can keep going for days on a watch pattern. Single handing, exhaustion and lack of sleep are your limiting factors. Medical research indicates that your abilities are becoming as degraded after 20 hours without sleep as consuming the legal limit of alcohol would cause. There are plenty here who express disapproval of sailing with any alcohol in the bloodstream.
 
and also to add to this,the issue is not about sailing experience ,i couldnt care two hoots if you went around the world 50 times with only one arm and a bacon sandwich. the issue was "getting tired" after 20 hours at the helm
 
that told him

Wandering Star said:
You come across as a very rude know it all, in 10, or is it 12 years of posting on these forums I've never had cause to post details of my own sailing experience before.

I've made 6 Transats on my own small boat all single or short handed, I've made 2 Transats as skipper on other peoples boats, I've made 3 Trans-Meds on my own boats. I've crossed Biscay umpteen times, very recently I sailed my boat from Mallorca to Portugal encountering some testing weather! I've owned and sailed a variety of boats from a 17 foot Silhouette to a 43 foot Oyster and including a 40 foot catamaran too. I'm an RYA Yachtmaster (since 1984).

I'm sure there are forumites with more experience and i'm not intentionally bragging but even if you personally have more experience than me,it still doesn't alter the fact i have enough experience and knowledge of my own capabilities so please desist from trying to tell me that I couldn't hack an 18 hour watch. I have the experience to KNOW I can and I have done lots of times!

Cheers, Brian.
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that told im

well done

very well written

with passion and flare

I assume the neighbours could hear you bashing the keyboard

and you make some great points

but do you have the RYA day skipper certificate?

Dylan
 
maby said:
I did wonder, but I'm not clear what the motive is. Surely, without a body, the insurance will not pay out for several years?
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Maybe I'm completely off the plot, but, it just doesn't ring true to me.
Maybe I would just prefer to believe that than think someone has died due to being slightly more foolish than me.
 
chris46 said:
not at all,i was merely saying i found that claim of being "a little tired" and having "plenty of stamina left" after 20 hours at the helm non stop on your own ,somewhat exaggerated.
sorry i must have touched a nerve ,my apologies
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Just to clarify, I didn't say I was on the helm for 20 hours non stop! I said I was on watch for 20 hours. As Minn points out, being on watch is very different from being on the helm and I entirely concur with his description of "on watch".

Cheers, Brian.
 
Originally Posted by Wandering Star
You come across as a very rude know it all, in 10, or is it 12 years of posting on these forums I've never had cause to post details of my own sailing experience before.

I've made 6 Transats on my own small boat all single or short handed, I've made 2 Transats as skipper on other peoples boats, I've made 3 Trans-Meds on my own boats. I've crossed Biscay umpteen times, very recently I sailed my boat from Mallorca to Portugal encountering some testing weather! I've owned and sailed a variety of boats from a 17 foot Silhouette to a 43 foot Oyster and including a 40 foot catamaran too. I'm an RYA Yachtmaster (since 1984).

I'm sure there are forumites with more experience and i'm not intentionally bragging but even if you personally have more experience than me,it still doesn't alter the fact i have enough experience and knowledge of my own capabilities so please desist from trying to tell me that I couldn't hack an 18 hour watch. I have the experience to KNOW I can and I have done lots of times!

Cheers, Brian.

Brian the issue was not about your sailing experience ,you obviously have plenty of that,i wish i had the experience you have without doubt.
But the issue was about tiredness
 
this has gone far enough ,time to agree to disagree.
i know if that was myself doing a twenty hour stint ,id be completely knackered and ready for my bed.
 
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