Missing yachtsman off Arran

A1Sailor said:
"The Pontoon is owned and maintained by the Lochranza and Catacol Sea Society (LCCS). We are a not for profit Community Interest Company which relies entirely on donations. LCSS also collects donations on behalf of North Ayrshire Council for the blue public moorings provided in the loch."
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Like I said I said i'm confused about a collection for free moorings that are provided by the council to be just that. FREE. That's what I pay my council tax for. No one collects money for the council moorings in Brodick or Millport.
Could you tell me how if you have collected money from the honesty box how do you know how much people put in and what percentage to give to the council?


I think your pontoon is a fantastic facility but the way it is being run is anything but welcoming. It's a same that you do not allow overnight berthing as I'm sure it would attract more visitors to the village and a healthy income to the society
 
Spyro said:
Could you tell me how if you have collected money from the honesty box how do you know how much people put in and what percentage to give to the council?
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Nope, nope and nope! I guess it all depends on honesty. I presume that all of the monies collected on behalf of the council will be passed to them. Let's hope so.

See http://www.bluemoment.com/scotmoorings.html#Clyde
I agree it is baffling that in many parts of the Clyde moorings are provided Free of Charge by the Council, and that at Lochranza a charge is levied for moorings provided by the same council. At Whiting Bay on Arran, moorings are provided FoC by the local business community - at their expense!

Maybe somebody from LCCS, or a forumite with their yacht based there, will come on to explain.
 
A1Sailor said:
Nope, nope and nope! I guess it all depends on honesty. I presume that all of the monies collected on behalf of the council will be passed to them. Let's hope so.

See http://www.bluemoment.com/scotmoorings.html#Clyde
I agree it is baffling that in many parts of the Clyde moorings are provided Free of Charge by the Council, and that at Lochranza a charge is levied for moorings provided by the same council. At Whiting Bay on Arran, moorings are provided FoC by the local business community - at their expense!

Maybe somebody from LCCS, or a forumite with their yacht based there, will come on to explain.
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Sorry A1 I misunderstood you post. I thought you were part of the LCSS I just realised you were quoting from their web page. It is baffling how money can be given to the council and somehow it finds it way to contribute towards the moorings.
 
Having an eye for wood, I recognise this yacht. The CYCA record indicates her sail number is 300C.
In common with all other contributors my thoughts are with the family who must be distraught as the reality dawns.
The area where 'Cena' was found is subject to at least 3 tidal influences and given the weather conditions of the last 3 days it may be some time before a beach search is fruitful and 4 seperate shorelines may come into play. I just hope and pray for an early resolution to the family's trauma.
 
Like all other contibutors, I have deepest sympathy for the family who are no doubt coming to terms with the reality.
The area 'Cena' was found is subject to at least 3 tidal influences and 4 shorelines come into play. Given this, sadly, it may be some time before a recovery is made.
There are lessons to be learned by all us solo sailors here.
 
starboard said:
The article in "The Herald" also reports his anchor and chain were missing, the engine was seized and his passport found aboard!!
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It's not hard to imagine a scenario involving those things leading to tragedy; engine failed, quickly drop the anchor, lose the lot as not secured at the boat end, go over the side trying to grab it...I'm not saying that's what happened, just that the boat being found in that condition doesn't sound strange to me.
 
... and passport aboard because he flew up from London?

Plenty of innocent explanations possible. Perhaps our thoughts should be for the man's family and those searching for him rather than following a press lead in trying to sensationalise the incident.
 
Spyro said:
Sorry A1 I misunderstood you post. I thought you were part of the LCSS I just realised you were quoting from their web page. It is baffling how money can be given to the council and somehow it finds it way to contribute towards the moorings.
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There will be an account code used when paying the monies into the Council bank account. That code will be tracked & at the end of the financial year the monies will be known. I would expect that there will be a similar (if not identical) acc code used to pay for the moorings upkeep & there will be an annual budget review. It would be churlish to think that a properly auditted council would try to fiddle things.

FWIW I ran a small ring-fenced account for a charity initially set up under Council guidance, so have experience of such accounts.

As to the missing person, there but for the grace of god go I & i suspect one or two others on here. I wonder why he left Lochranza? Was he "encouraged" to go by unwelcoming locals? I hope not, because that would be an awful thing to have on one's conscience.
 
Searush said:
T I wonder why he left Lochranza? Was he "encouraged" to go by unwelcoming locals? I hope not, because that would be an awful thing to have on one's conscience.
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It is unfortunate that the thread on a search (now abandoned) for a missing sailor has been diverted to include the subjects of Lochranza moorings and where the money goes, the pontoon and lady with a social conscience. It is extremely unlikely that after a 4 day stay there is any causal relationship and Searush's wonderings do him no favours and are insulting to the inhabitants of Lochranza.

Lochranza in a sou'westerly can be a miserable place with vicious squalls hurtling down from Glen Chalmadale - Tarbert or Portavadie would be much preferable.
 
I think I recall Cena as being one of the "local" boats in Tarbert for several years. The fact that the boat is local does not mean that the owner is, in fact it has already been pointed our he is from London. My heart goes out to his family.

What he was doing sailing around here last week is a mystery. The weather has been poor and sailing unpleasant, a point made by the skipper of the boat that took Cena to Tarbert. As to Lochranza as a place to visit, it is not my choice. It is an unpleasant berth in anything of a wind from almost any direction. If it is from eat through south to southwest, the wind gusts down the glen. On one occasion a few years ago I watched as several boats were iether unable to anchor or had anchored and started dragging. By nightfall, all had departed. If the wind is from northwest through to northeast, there is no shelter. Even though there is only a few miles of fetch, a short viscoius chop builds up.

On another thread, it has been suggested that the Clyde Scuttlebut muster may go there this spring. I doubt that I can go anyway, but it would need a very good forecast to persuade me to spend another night there. I suspect Billjratt may agree!
 
awol said:
The missing man has been named as Ryan Martin, a 54 year old IT consultant from Milton Keynes. The fisherman who found the boat has described it as "crazy to be out in such a wee boat" in the conditions.
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It has to be said, fishermen count themselves as 'professionals' - despite generally poor maintenance & regard for weather, at least those I've seen on the Southern English coasts - and say this sort of thing every time anyone - especially a 'yachtie' - has a problem...
 
Missing Man

Good morning all,

The Missing Man was Bryan Martin and he was my uncle. I stumbled upon your posts and appreciate the comments as will my Mum and Dad. Any info you can provide regarding the conditions on that day and the odds that he may be stranded on an unhabited area would be much appreciated.

Victoria
 
Loves2sail said:
Good morning all,

The Missing Man was Bryan Martin and he was my uncle. I stumbled upon your posts and appreciate the comments as will my Mum and Dad. Any info you can provide regarding the conditions on that day and the odds that he may be stranded on an unhabited area would be much appreciated.

Victoria
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Victoria,

Although the North Coast of Arran is quite steep and uninhabited it is not so desolate or remote, nor is anywhere on the coast around that area, for example the Peninsula of Kintyre, south of Skipness. North of Skipness towards Tarbert, Loch Fyne the shore is uninhabited but one doesn't have to travel far inland to find habitation. It is likely that anyone who found themselves on a remote shoreline within the Kilbrannan Sound, Inchmarnock Water or Loch Fyne area could walk to habitation if in a condition to do so. Search and Rescue is likely to have inspected the less accessible shorelines as part of their routine.
I would put the odds as very, very low that a person could survive without being discovered by this time.

Sorry,

BlowingOldBoots
 
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Loves2sail said:
Good morning all,

The Missing Man was Bryan Martin and he was my uncle. I stumbled upon your posts and appreciate the comments as will my Mum and Dad. Any info you can provide regarding the conditions on that day and the odds that he may be stranded on an unhabited area would be much appreciated.

Victoria
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Comfort yourself that he was doing what he most wanted to do. He is in illustrious company, there are many famous sailing authors that have died while sailing.
 
Loves2sail said:
Good morning all,

The Missing Man was Bryan Martin and he was my uncle. I stumbled upon your posts and appreciate the comments as will my Mum and Dad. Any info you can provide regarding the conditions on that day and the odds that he may be stranded on an unhabited area would be much appreciated.

Victoria
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Has Mr. Martin been found?
 
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