pvb
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No, that will be the least of your worries!
The keel won't fall off my Bavaria either, it's very firmly attached.
Mid sized yacht with nice aft cabin
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No, that will be the least of your worries!
The keel won't fall off my Bavaria either, it's very firmly attached.
peter gibbs
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It's probably true to sumarise the real aft cabin options as limited to 38 ft and above. I don't mean with chandelier etc, just plain comfort. That means room to get out of the double bunk either side and with sufficient space overhead to have air on warmer nights and to change clothes standing.
I say this for the simple reason that to make an aft cabin workable in a smaller hull reduces the saloon and galley to uncomfortable proportions. It is indeed nice to be able to get out of the aft bunk on either side and avoid disturbing your partner - this will require a broad beam taken to the transom, and limits deck storage bins. If you prefer storage to sleeping comforts, you will sleep alone. I can assure anyone thinking this way, you can get by well enough with smaller bins than normal in 80's style boats.
Choosing a forward master cabin is an alternative but the limitations are obvious even with a hull well over 38ft. A layout with two heads is nice but compromises other space demands, so is to be rejected.
Again no surprise that many boat seekers come up against these factors, and depending on wallet, compromise with a smaller hull, or dig deeper and go full aft cabin.
Finally, there's also a group for whom an aft cockpit is the essence of sailing, and who would never contemplate a CC with its enhanced space below. For them Go fast lines and low freeboard is all. Good luck I say, you will sail alone..
PWG
coopec
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PVB knows all about my yacht. Can you believe he has researched my internet activity? (Nothing better to do. Geeez!?)
RupertW
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We are all wildly curious. My own pet theory is that there is no boat in build at all and you are doing a delicious set of wind ups by posting counter-knowledgable theories based on you actually knowing loads and having a wicked sense of humour.
pvb
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Completely untrue. How do you think I could begin to research your internet activity without access to either your computer or your ISP's records? You're just talking rubbish.
coopec
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Bob
Have you seen this one then?
IJMUIDEN HOLLAND
MAY 17 2004: For the first time out of the water 2 months after purchasing two Bavaria's at Van den Bosch Yachting it appeared that the hull construction of these Bavaria Yachts around the keel were not sufficient for safe sailing or racing. It took Bavaria gmbh and Van den Bosch Yachting 2 full years to fix the problems. Zeezeilschool Scheveningen temporarily cancelled all sailing lessons with these boats until construction was safe again. Bavaria Yachtbau gmbh was informed immediately and we have sent these video's the same day the problems were apparent. A year later one of the keels broke in Croatia and one sailor was unfortunately killed.
RupertW
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Yes, one particular model - sailed aggresively as a racing yacht - not much similar to their models before or afterwards.
coopec
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I'd be interested to see their new designs now that Bavaria has new owners then
dankilb
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Ignoring the keel chat (our Jeanneau's is very well attached!)...
I've always been a big aft cabin fan (my old man had a Hylas 44 with a beautiful aft 'stateroom') and was initially looking at what sounds like similar price range/size/age/marques/etc. before we bought our current boat.
But in the end, I found the aft cabins - and in particular the walk-throughs - to be too cramped to either be usable (or really to be a worthwhile use of space) for that sort of length. I looked around several (Westerly Conway/Discus, Moody 34, etc.) and the only one I would countenance for 'usability' was the Westerly Corsair or the Seahawk derivatives. With the latter you get into the whole 'floating caravan' debate too...
I surprised myself by going for a 42ft French production cruiser with two small-ish 'guest' aft cabins but loads of space in the saloon/galley and a capacious en-suite forepeak 'stateroom'. At just over 6ft it also suits my height and I have fewer scars on the top of the noggin to show for it as a result!
So of the above and aforementioned options, I'd go for the non-aft-cabin versions, unless you really need to get away from kids/guests etc.
I've always been a big aft cabin fan (my old man had a Hylas 44 with a beautiful aft 'stateroom') and was initially looking at what sounds like similar price range/size/age/marques/etc. before we bought our current boat.
But in the end, I found the aft cabins - and in particular the walk-throughs - to be too cramped to either be usable (or really to be a worthwhile use of space) for that sort of length. I looked around several (Westerly Conway/Discus, Moody 34, etc.) and the only one I would countenance for 'usability' was the Westerly Corsair or the Seahawk derivatives. With the latter you get into the whole 'floating caravan' debate too...
I surprised myself by going for a 42ft French production cruiser with two small-ish 'guest' aft cabins but loads of space in the saloon/galley and a capacious en-suite forepeak 'stateroom'. At just over 6ft it also suits my height and I have fewer scars on the top of the noggin to show for it as a result!
So of the above and aforementioned options, I'd go for the non-aft-cabin versions, unless you really need to get away from kids/guests etc.
RupertW
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Good thinking - you need a plan BI'd be interested to see their new designs now that Bavaria has new owners then
john_morris_uk
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We’re very happy with our Westerly Sealord. You’ll need to look hard to find a decent one with headlinings replaced etc. Usual caveats for a boat in its more mature years.
RupertW
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We went down a very similar route for our Jeanneau 42.2 - I was keen on us being forward with our own heads and guests staying a week or so to have most options - so two smallish aft cabins for two couples or singles or kids or whatever to have their own privacy and own shared heads.
Beneteau381
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Or one like my 381?
dunedin
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This is getting well beyond a joke. Desist
SaltIre
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Your avatar appears to be a picture of a bathtub. Can't you post some of your boat?
rogerthebodger
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The situation is to put Coopec on ignore then you will not have to listen to his record.
It seems that coopec has hit a nerve. If you are sure like pvb that you bolt keel will not fall off why keep arguing.
pvb
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You're twisting words again; I didn't say "always be of a lesser quality". However, now you mention it, homemade boats are often constructed to poor standards. Less of a problem perhaps with steel boats, which are often overbuilt. But homemade fibreglass boats tend to be moulded outdoors in uncontrolled conditions of temperature and humidity, leading to potential strength issues. The quality of woodwork in homemade boats also varies wildly. As a result, homemade boats often have poor resale values and can indeed be difficult to sell.
AngusMcDoon
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Hi All,
Quick question for advice.
I’m looking to understand if there are any other boats similar to the moody 34 c/c with the nice aft cabin, under 40foot.
I’m struggling to find any but I’m sure there must be?
Broadblue 345/346. Nice aft cabin, standing headroom, space to walk in, close the door, & get changed in. Seat to sit on as well. And a short walk away, there's another one just the same.
rogerthebodger
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No I am not twisting your words I was asking a question.
Outside builds are weather dependent ven for steel boats where high humidity causes flash rusting after grit blasting. I built mine at 6000 ft above sea level when the RH in the winter is as low as 20%.
Coopec did show a picture of where his hull was built and from what I remember it was under cover and possible in the outback. May be coopec can confirm.
Coopec has shown some of his GRP mouldings and personally much better that I could do.
The quality always depends on the skill of the of the people doing the work but a skilled amitor can always repeat a job if they are not staifacited with the outcome. As I have done some times. While building most of the word work and electrical panels were built in my workshop at home so in mice warn (some times too warm) conditions. Also some of the work can and I did subcontract some work where I did not have time or the skills.
A professionally build boat have a time and cost constraint as I am sure when you purchased you boat you wanted delivery quickly (always he case) and no disrespect.
Home built boats an take longer also due to time and cost constraints but of a different time.
As the saying goes Titanic was built by professionals and the ark was built by amature.
Amature do what they do for pleasure not for money. I make things for pleasure and yes I could be criticized for not sailing as much as I could as I take pleasure from improving my boat and sailing is a way to relax and watch nature.
Bobc
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Yes, this is the Match that had the original design problem which was sorted. Please stop digging up the corpse just so you can shoot it again.
