Sans Bateau
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Its true what he says, Colin, there are few if none on here who havent had the 'P' taken out of them at least once. It could even be said that until you have, your not a full member!
Mcgregor 19 Powersailer
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Sixpence
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Was that on the trailer?
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No /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
and no, it wasn't raining /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Was that on the trailer?
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No /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
and no, it wasn't raining /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Dyflin
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/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif great photo
Sixpence
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Don't know how I find time to do it /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif
Lakesailor
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you should all get out more! I misunderstood the point of a forum.
[/ QUOTE ] Obviously. The forum exists for people to interact and share experiences and ideas. If people don't do that it will be a sterile wasteland, like so many other forums. Anyway, welcome.
I've always had a jaundiced view of MacGregors but they can tick the boxes for people with specific needs (trailer-sailer, accommodation, turn of speed).
But they are a bit ugly (personal opinion), fairly tender and as Sixpence says, not terrific at anything. The yanks have a heavy-ballasted keel conversion to try to address the tenderness issue.
However if you want to launch and recover single-handed and raise and lower the rig in a trice, they are unbeatable.
you should all get out more! I misunderstood the point of a forum.
[/ QUOTE ] Obviously. The forum exists for people to interact and share experiences and ideas. If people don't do that it will be a sterile wasteland, like so many other forums. Anyway, welcome.
I've always had a jaundiced view of MacGregors but they can tick the boxes for people with specific needs (trailer-sailer, accommodation, turn of speed).
But they are a bit ugly (personal opinion), fairly tender and as Sixpence says, not terrific at anything. The yanks have a heavy-ballasted keel conversion to try to address the tenderness issue.
However if you want to launch and recover single-handed and raise and lower the rig in a trice, they are unbeatable.
jenku
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Is that a wheel? On a 19-footer?
graham
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Searush
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Is that a wheel? On a 19-footer?
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/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif What do you expect for the maritime car driver?
BTW I admire your bravery Sixpence! I have poste d a pic before on another of colin's threads & that McG didn't seem to be shipping much spray, but it was in a sheltered bay. Funny thing was that he was going to slow down as he approached me out of courtesy to a raggie & I was waving him on like mad to get a pic of him at speed. Fortunately, he did get the message in the end.
Is that a wheel? On a 19-footer?
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/forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif What do you expect for the maritime car driver?
BTW I admire your bravery Sixpence! I have poste d a pic before on another of colin's threads & that McG didn't seem to be shipping much spray, but it was in a sheltered bay. Funny thing was that he was going to slow down as he approached me out of courtesy to a raggie & I was waving him on like mad to get a pic of him at speed. Fortunately, he did get the message in the end.
Sixpence
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Cheeky git /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Have to admit though, it wasn't the 19ft'er but the slightly larger ( I think 26 ft ) one /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
At the time of the pic, we were motoring over an ovefall at just the wrong state of tide, made for an interesting trip /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Have to admit though, it wasn't the 19ft'er but the slightly larger ( I think 26 ft ) one /forums/images/graemlins/blush.gif
At the time of the pic, we were motoring over an ovefall at just the wrong state of tide, made for an interesting trip /forums/images/graemlins/cool.gif
Twister_Ken
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If blending a motorboat and a sailing boat is such a good idea, you may wonder why, in the ten years plus since McG's have been around, so few other manufactrurers have followed their example. The only answer I can come up with to that question, is that it is not a good idea. The fundamental hull shape and stability requirements for a speed boat and a sailing boat are so different that a happy combination is not possible. Any compromise will be better at one role than another, but essentially plain old bad at both.
There are plenty of good small sailing boats, and (I assume) plenty of good small powerboats. It would be best to decide whether you really want to motor or sail, and pick one side of the fence or the other. If your really don't know, try both, then decide.
Personally, I can't decide between a motorcar and a motorbike, so I'm taking two wheels off of my car.
There are plenty of good small sailing boats, and (I assume) plenty of good small powerboats. It would be best to decide whether you really want to motor or sail, and pick one side of the fence or the other. If your really don't know, try both, then decide.
Personally, I can't decide between a motorcar and a motorbike, so I'm taking two wheels off of my car.
Searush
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Personally, I can't decide between a motorcar and a motorbike, so I'm taking two wheels off of my car.
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That's already been (half) done. By Reliant, Morgan, Bond, Peel, even BMW (Isetta) and Heinkel etc etc. And BMW have put a "car" body on a scooter recently - oh, nearly forgot, isn't there a Honda scooter with 2 front wheels? Not to mention Motorbike & sidecar combinations - don't see many of them around these days do you?
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Edit: Doh! Just remembered Quad bikes, putting an extra pair of wheels on your motorbike - AND THAT WORKS!
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Personally, I can't decide between a motorcar and a motorbike, so I'm taking two wheels off of my car.
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That's already been (half) done. By Reliant, Morgan, Bond, Peel, even BMW (Isetta) and Heinkel etc etc. And BMW have put a "car" body on a scooter recently - oh, nearly forgot, isn't there a Honda scooter with 2 front wheels? Not to mention Motorbike & sidecar combinations - don't see many of them around these days do you?
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Edit: Doh! Just remembered Quad bikes, putting an extra pair of wheels on your motorbike - AND THAT WORKS!
stuartwineberg
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Hi there
The only thing that might be of interest that hasn't been said is that if you wander down to Calshot Spit, the boat storage area there is full of them. I guess there is an active association of some sort based there and they would, I am sure, give you the upside opinion to balance the views given here. My personal view is that they ain't the greatest thing I have ever seen and I agree with most of the technical criticisms in the forum - it's a compromise that doesn't seem to work for me. I do remember reading an article about a couple who crossed the channel and then went up the canals in one and had a great time
The only thing that might be of interest that hasn't been said is that if you wander down to Calshot Spit, the boat storage area there is full of them. I guess there is an active association of some sort based there and they would, I am sure, give you the upside opinion to balance the views given here. My personal view is that they ain't the greatest thing I have ever seen and I agree with most of the technical criticisms in the forum - it's a compromise that doesn't seem to work for me. I do remember reading an article about a couple who crossed the channel and then went up the canals in one and had a great time
l'escargot
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Funnily enough I watched one trying to berth on the buoys at Lymington yesterday in totally benign conditions with no wind or tide. Got his bow line on then ended up broadside across the the transom of the boat in front and didn't seem to have a clue how to use his outboard in reverse. Luckily the chap in the boat that he had become attached to got into his dinghy and then rowed a stern line across to the buoy for him. Last year when tied to a marina pontoon had one bounce along the side of my boat and the boat in front, whilst staring resolutely ahead ignoring the four kids sat on the coachroof yelling at him to mind the boats. Also saw another one leaving Newport doing about 10 knots down the river in the 6 knot limit when we got back this morning. All of which cause me to watch them with interest. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
ShipsWoofy
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he no longer requires any of our useless info, he has found the only support in Europe for this boat on the MoBo forum.
Apparently, nobody here understands the word 'objective' as used in his opening question.
Apparently, nobody here understands the word 'objective' as used in his opening question.
l'escargot
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Mmm, who's on his high horse tonight - since when did we need to submit our posts for your approval. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Probably says a lot for the Mcgregors status as a sailing boat when the best info on it can be found on the Mobo forum... And I wasn't talking to the OP.
Alfie168
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I do remember reading an article about a couple who crossed the channel and then went up the canals in one and had a great time
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Yes....but as I recall, their centre plate snapped off in the Bay of Biscay on the way...
As regards slamming. Macgregor deepened the Vee on the 26M over the 26X to try and address that problem. They also increased the ballast and made the rig taller on the 26M to improve its sailing performance. I think the 19 is closer to the 26X, but don't quote me on that.
If you go the Macgregor route,then I think you have to approach your boating from a different perspective, and its not all negative by any means. You can motor to a nice spot, then sail around, and motor back. If you only get odd days sailing, then this increases your cruising range. You can also get back against almost any tide.
Its not the sort of sailing I'd like as I hate engines on yachts as a rule (except when I need them of course), and I like a yacht with at least some ability to beat to windward with the sheets pinned down and everybody gritting their teeth as the next wave approaches. (actually I'm an inland sailor at present so none of that applies)
Thats not Macgregor sailing, which is not to say that Macgregor sailers get any less pleasure on the water than anybody else, you just don't do it as close to the wind /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
They have sold thousands of the things you know!!! Lots of people like them, we just take the p**s (in case you hadn't noticed /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif)
Tim
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I do remember reading an article about a couple who crossed the channel and then went up the canals in one and had a great time
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Yes....but as I recall, their centre plate snapped off in the Bay of Biscay on the way...
As regards slamming. Macgregor deepened the Vee on the 26M over the 26X to try and address that problem. They also increased the ballast and made the rig taller on the 26M to improve its sailing performance. I think the 19 is closer to the 26X, but don't quote me on that.
If you go the Macgregor route,then I think you have to approach your boating from a different perspective, and its not all negative by any means. You can motor to a nice spot, then sail around, and motor back. If you only get odd days sailing, then this increases your cruising range. You can also get back against almost any tide.
Its not the sort of sailing I'd like as I hate engines on yachts as a rule (except when I need them of course), and I like a yacht with at least some ability to beat to windward with the sheets pinned down and everybody gritting their teeth as the next wave approaches. (actually I'm an inland sailor at present so none of that applies)
Thats not Macgregor sailing, which is not to say that Macgregor sailers get any less pleasure on the water than anybody else, you just don't do it as close to the wind /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
They have sold thousands of the things you know!!! Lots of people like them, we just take the p**s (in case you hadn't noticed /forums/images/graemlins/wink.gif)
Tim
Malcb
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Mmm, who's on his high horse tonight - since when did we need to submit our posts for your approval. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Probably says a lot for the Mcgregors status as a sailing boat when the best info on it can be found on the Mobo forum... And I wasn't talking to the OP.
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OK. So who rattled your cage?
Originally I looked at McGregors and, to be honest, I rather fancied them as a suitable 'all round' boat that would suit the type of sailing that I wanted to do.
However, as I wanted to do longer, coastal, trips I decided that a more 'dedicated' sailingboat would be more suitable I went a different route.
If I were more decided to just sail in then Solent Area then I would more than likely look atv the MacGregors (or similar).
AND also lesGargot I still haven'ny fogiven you for taking, and posting, a picture of me on a Forum meet, when you couldn't be ares'd to wander down and introduce yourself /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
Mmm, who's on his high horse tonight - since when did we need to submit our posts for your approval. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Probably says a lot for the Mcgregors status as a sailing boat when the best info on it can be found on the Mobo forum... And I wasn't talking to the OP.
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OK. So who rattled your cage?
Originally I looked at McGregors and, to be honest, I rather fancied them as a suitable 'all round' boat that would suit the type of sailing that I wanted to do.
However, as I wanted to do longer, coastal, trips I decided that a more 'dedicated' sailingboat would be more suitable I went a different route.
If I were more decided to just sail in then Solent Area then I would more than likely look atv the MacGregors (or similar).
AND also lesGargot I still haven'ny fogiven you for taking, and posting, a picture of me on a Forum meet, when you couldn't be ares'd to wander down and introduce yourself /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
l'escargot
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Mmm, who's on his high horse tonight - since when did we need to submit our posts for your approval. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Probably says a lot for the Mcgregors status as a sailing boat when the best info on it can be found on the Mobo forum... And I wasn't talking to the OP.
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OK. So who rattled your cage?
Originally I looked at McGregors and, to be honest, I rather fancied them as a suitable 'all round' boat that would suit the type of sailing that I wanted to do.
However, as I wanted to do longer, coastal, trips I decided that a more 'dedicated' sailingboat would be more suitable I went a different route.
If I were more decided to just sail in then Solent Area then I would more than likely look atv the MacGregors (or similar).
AND also lesGargot I still haven'ny fogiven you for taking, and posting, a picture of me on a Forum meet, when you couldn't be ares'd to wander down and introduce yourself /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
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At least read the thread if you are going to jump in. Looks like my judgement of not wandering down to talk to a grumpy looking so and so was good - you didn't even wave. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
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Mmm, who's on his high horse tonight - since when did we need to submit our posts for your approval. /forums/images/graemlins/tongue.gif Probably says a lot for the Mcgregors status as a sailing boat when the best info on it can be found on the Mobo forum... And I wasn't talking to the OP.
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OK. So who rattled your cage?
Originally I looked at McGregors and, to be honest, I rather fancied them as a suitable 'all round' boat that would suit the type of sailing that I wanted to do.
However, as I wanted to do longer, coastal, trips I decided that a more 'dedicated' sailingboat would be more suitable I went a different route.
If I were more decided to just sail in then Solent Area then I would more than likely look atv the MacGregors (or similar).
AND also lesGargot I still haven'ny fogiven you for taking, and posting, a picture of me on a Forum meet, when you couldn't be ares'd to wander down and introduce yourself /forums/images/graemlins/ooo.gif
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At least read the thread if you are going to jump in. Looks like my judgement of not wandering down to talk to a grumpy looking so and so was good - you didn't even wave. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
bolinj
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But couldn't it be.....just possibly, this boat actually does suit MY needs? As a novice I am not ready for open sea, so any sailing would be in sheltered waters. I am also v close to many beautiful islands, and on sunny evenings I would like the ability to get to them quickly for beach bbq's etc. and as I said elsewhere, my 3 year old would love the
camping overnight aspect of it.....not possible if I went the rib/dingy
route. Boy there are some moody folks on this site!!!
camping overnight aspect of it.....not possible if I went the rib/dingy
route. Boy there are some moody folks on this site!!!
l'escargot
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Nothing about being moody - why is it so many people just arrive on forums and then start criticising them?
If you have already decided in your "novice" opinion that it suits your needs, why come and ask for advice on here? As you seem to have made your mind up, go for it and discover any shortcomings or better alternatives after you have bought it. As others have observed, people don't seem to keep them for long and my experience of them is they tend to be in the hands of the inexperienced.
I drove Lada's for years because they suited my needs and people took the mickey, if you buy a Mcgregor expect the same - a lot of people think they are fair game for a joke, you will just have to get used to it. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
If you have already decided in your "novice" opinion that it suits your needs, why come and ask for advice on here? As you seem to have made your mind up, go for it and discover any shortcomings or better alternatives after you have bought it. As others have observed, people don't seem to keep them for long and my experience of them is they tend to be in the hands of the inexperienced.
I drove Lada's for years because they suited my needs and people took the mickey, if you buy a Mcgregor expect the same - a lot of people think they are fair game for a joke, you will just have to get used to it. /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
