rich
Well-known member
Re: Crew?
Two persons, plus one.=2 adults and 1 child.
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Two persons, plus one.=2 adults and 1 child.
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Mayday Sequence
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LadyInBed
Well-known member
Re: Crew?
I know a few young persons who believe themselves to be whole persons.
I know a few young persons who believe themselves to be whole persons.
Cornishman
New member
Re: Crew?
Thank you, HMCG. That is what I have been trying to say since 1007 hrs today!
Thank you, HMCG. That is what I have been trying to say since 1007 hrs today!
Jacket
New member
Re: Crew?
And misses the point I was trying to make entirely. then again, I didn't make my point very well. I really shouldn't try to explain things when hung over (Either that or I should be hung over less).
My point was that I can't help feeling that its pointless arguing about whether we should say "crew" or "persons" or whatever. If you're sinking, the chances are that you'll be panicking. You'll say the first thing that comes into your head, whether its persons, crew, adults, whatever. And there's a fair chance that some people will forget to include themselves in that number.
So it seems to me, that on recieving a mayday, you have to go out looking for the number of people mentioned in the mayday message, plus one extra person.
Once you start fishing people out of the water, thats when you can start questioning them and finding out how many people there actually were on the boat.
But that's just my thoughts. Which are hungover and probably wrong. (I'm sure hangovers never used to last this long!)
And misses the point I was trying to make entirely. then again, I didn't make my point very well. I really shouldn't try to explain things when hung over (Either that or I should be hung over less).
My point was that I can't help feeling that its pointless arguing about whether we should say "crew" or "persons" or whatever. If you're sinking, the chances are that you'll be panicking. You'll say the first thing that comes into your head, whether its persons, crew, adults, whatever. And there's a fair chance that some people will forget to include themselves in that number.
So it seems to me, that on recieving a mayday, you have to go out looking for the number of people mentioned in the mayday message, plus one extra person.
Once you start fishing people out of the water, thats when you can start questioning them and finding out how many people there actually were on the boat.
But that's just my thoughts. Which are hungover and probably wrong. (I'm sure hangovers never used to last this long!)
TheBoatman
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Mike
I purposely omitted it (over) because it would have been rather like teaching your grandmother etc. within the post. It was the sequence I was referring to.
I purposely omitted it (over) because it would have been rather like teaching your grandmother etc. within the post. It was the sequence I was referring to.
TheBoatman
New member
Re: OH good HMGC have turned up
Just the man!!!
Please assume that for the purposes of this post that I "may" well lose my ability to transmit at anytime during my MD broadcast.
What sequence would you wish the information to come to you, so that you could best help me?
Just the man!!!
Please assume that for the purposes of this post that I "may" well lose my ability to transmit at anytime during my MD broadcast.
What sequence would you wish the information to come to you, so that you could best help me?
LadyInBed
Well-known member
I honestly think that given a mayday situation, no-one including you will give a 4X what order you pump out the info. As long as it is clear and the receiver doesn't have to keep asking for clarification, you will be half way to being home and dry.
Twister_Ken
Well-known member
Re: A bit of both
Ok, I've got it.
I do the DSC business, wait for a digital acknowledgement, and just then the water rises above the batteries and shorts them out.
At that point I just drown, discretely?
Ok, I've got it.
I do the DSC business, wait for a digital acknowledgement, and just then the water rises above the batteries and shorts them out.
At that point I just drown, discretely?
BrendanS
Well-known member
I heard a motorboat skipper do it by the book after being T-boned by a Sunsail yacht ( who subsequently disappeared off to the horizon, and when questioned by coastguard replied that he was racing. Told to return and render assistance)
Very calm, very clear, and I can only assume that he had a card made up to read from (inserting lat and long from GPS) as it was word perfect. Got all the standard stuff in, then added that they had rib tender in the water ready to evacuate crew to.
Coastguard didn't have to ask for a repetition of any of it, and apart from lat and long, it didn't need to be written down to remember any part of it.
Agree that in an emergency, order isn't necessary, but having had the radio licence training, they emphasise that if you do it by the book, people receiving know what to expect, and just from that one experience of someone doing it by the book, I'd have to agree it works
Very calm, very clear, and I can only assume that he had a card made up to read from (inserting lat and long from GPS) as it was word perfect. Got all the standard stuff in, then added that they had rib tender in the water ready to evacuate crew to.
Coastguard didn't have to ask for a repetition of any of it, and apart from lat and long, it didn't need to be written down to remember any part of it.
Agree that in an emergency, order isn't necessary, but having had the radio licence training, they emphasise that if you do it by the book, people receiving know what to expect, and just from that one experience of someone doing it by the book, I'd have to agree it works
ccscott49
Active member
I have a card I made up, in sealed ion plastic, with the procedure in big letters on it, stowed above the radio, just grab it and reead off the card, idiot proof, because I may not be the one sending the Mayday and I would like to be geard and understood. I thought most of us had such a card, if not make one! Then make one for a pan pan and a securitay, whilst your at it opne with the phonetic alphabet on aswell.
Cornishman
New member
Re: Crew?
.....and my point is that a well trained and disciplined skipper would automatically say the right thing, thus avoiding the problems expounded here by HMCG and others, including me. A good skipper never panics under any circumstances, least of all when others' lives are at risk. I rest my case here with no more to say.
.....and my point is that a well trained and disciplined skipper would automatically say the right thing, thus avoiding the problems expounded here by HMCG and others, including me. A good skipper never panics under any circumstances, least of all when others' lives are at risk. I rest my case here with no more to say.
HMCG
New member
Re: OH good HMGC have turned up
My own preference would be
Name and callsign (- callsign is important if you have one. it makes the difference between you and the cruise ship carrying 2000 people.)
Position
POB
Nature of Distress
Your Intentions
anything else - including weather.
this sequence would be my ideal but all CG operators are trained to receive the perfect mayday which is in the format
Mayday, Mayday, Mayday
'This is' name, spoken three times
Mayday
MMSI and name or callsign, spoken once
Position
Nature of Distress
Assistance required
Number on board
Other information
Over
At the end of the day though I have never heard a person transmit a perfect mayday and I doubt I ever will. It really makes no difference which order you do it in as long as we can get the info.
Safer lives, safer ships, cleaner seas.
My own preference would be
Name and callsign (- callsign is important if you have one. it makes the difference between you and the cruise ship carrying 2000 people.)
Position
POB
Nature of Distress
Your Intentions
anything else - including weather.
this sequence would be my ideal but all CG operators are trained to receive the perfect mayday which is in the format
Mayday, Mayday, Mayday
'This is' name, spoken three times
Mayday
MMSI and name or callsign, spoken once
Position
Nature of Distress
Assistance required
Number on board
Other information
Over
At the end of the day though I have never heard a person transmit a perfect mayday and I doubt I ever will. It really makes no difference which order you do it in as long as we can get the info.
Safer lives, safer ships, cleaner seas.
HMCG
New member
Re: A bit of both
Which is why we advise you to have a waterproof hand held radio. Electrics often go long before the boat sinks. As mentioned elsewhere here a card laminated with the instructions is also handy especially if the only person trained to use the radio in incapacitated.
The hand held can also help you tell the helo that he has just passed over you!
Safer lives, safer ships, cleaner seas.
Which is why we advise you to have a waterproof hand held radio. Electrics often go long before the boat sinks. As mentioned elsewhere here a card laminated with the instructions is also handy especially if the only person trained to use the radio in incapacitated.
The hand held can also help you tell the helo that he has just passed over you!
Safer lives, safer ships, cleaner seas.
Jacket
New member
Re: Crew?
Sounds nice in theory. I'm glad you're so brave and well trained that you'd stay calm with your boat on fire around your ears. I know I'd be needing a change of trousers.
Sounds nice in theory. I'm glad you're so brave and well trained that you'd stay calm with your boat on fire around your ears. I know I'd be needing a change of trousers.
John_N
New member
Re: Crew?
"Persons" is unambiguous - "Crew" is not. 'Nuff said. It's getting boring. Just accept the sound advice from the very experienced Cornishman and HMCG!
(Happy Christmas, Mike)
"Persons" is unambiguous - "Crew" is not. 'Nuff said. It's getting boring. Just accept the sound advice from the very experienced Cornishman and HMCG!
(Happy Christmas, Mike)
alant
Active member
I was taught 'MIPDANIO'
M= Mayday x 3
I= Identity of Vessel x 3
P= Position
D= Distress type
A= Assistance required
N=NOB's (Number of Bodies on Board)
I= Any other Information relevant - taking to liferaft/colour &
type of vessel for easy ID/making orange smoke etc!!
O=Over
M= Mayday x 3
I= Identity of Vessel x 3
P= Position
D= Distress type
A= Assistance required
N=NOB's (Number of Bodies on Board)
I= Any other Information relevant - taking to liferaft/colour &
type of vessel for easy ID/making orange smoke etc!!
O=Over
charles_reed
Active member
Practice makes perfect
The one time I put out a Mayday, I didn't have to think about it - and believe you me I was panicking.
The point being made is that, if you know the sequence, you don't have to re-invent the wheel.
In that case my Mayday lasted 3 secs, according to Milford, they didn't need any repeats and allegedly I sounded totally unflustered.
Amazing how easy it is to fool some...
The one time I put out a Mayday, I didn't have to think about it - and believe you me I was panicking.
The point being made is that, if you know the sequence, you don't have to re-invent the wheel.
In that case my Mayday lasted 3 secs, according to Milford, they didn't need any repeats and allegedly I sounded totally unflustered.
Amazing how easy it is to fool some...
NigeCh
New member
A question .... HMCG/MCA
Are you posting on behalf of the MCA/HMCG or are you posting as a 'helpful hand' ?
It would appear that as your identifier/username is 'HMCG' and that your avitor is 'MCA' that you are posting as an 'official' spokesperson/poster.
Please clarify.
Are you posting on behalf of the MCA/HMCG or are you posting as a 'helpful hand' ?
It would appear that as your identifier/username is 'HMCG' and that your avitor is 'MCA' that you are posting as an 'official' spokesperson/poster.
Please clarify.
HMCG
New member
Re: A question .... HMCG/MCA
I am posting off my own back but what I am posting is generally the "party line" of the MCA. My viewpoint generally agrees with that of my employer.
I have recently been promoted and will be moving from my station in the cold dark north in February. I am moving to the sunny South Coast. When I am settled I may speak to those that must be obeyed and see if I can make it official.
In any case my aim is to assist anyone with any questions they may have about the service and Search and Rescue in general. If anyone has any questions that they don't want to post in the open forum then feel free to send me a private message.
Safer lives, safer ships, cleaner seas.
I am posting off my own back but what I am posting is generally the "party line" of the MCA. My viewpoint generally agrees with that of my employer.
I have recently been promoted and will be moving from my station in the cold dark north in February. I am moving to the sunny South Coast. When I am settled I may speak to those that must be obeyed and see if I can make it official.
In any case my aim is to assist anyone with any questions they may have about the service and Search and Rescue in general. If anyone has any questions that they don't want to post in the open forum then feel free to send me a private message.
Safer lives, safer ships, cleaner seas.
