maxprop v autoprop

Surely its value depends on your type of sailing. If you do long distances then daily run is important and a 10% improvement is significant - adding potentially 10-15 miles a day. On the other hand, if you are coastal sailing (like the OP) with passages rarely over 10 hours and where typically 30% or more is under motor, the benefits are more questionable, and indeed the money might be better spent on other things like light weather offwind sails if you want to improve speed under sail.
If ( big IF) there is a saving in fuel consumption then with 30% engine use that should be considered in the equation, as should a greater top speed for no increase in RPM. So it is not quite as simple as you might suggest
 
I have a Maxprop and think it is wonderful, but I have no experience with others and it came with the boat. I do carefully grease it every winter, and stripped it down last year to find the workings pristine with no signs of wear. The anode wear issue can be mitigated somewhat by painting over the mounting bolts.

Note that Darglow are no longer an agent for Maxprop.

+1.

That’s exactly what I was going to write!

I think the rapid anode loss may be associated with “plugging in” in marinas.
 
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We have had the Brunton on our HR34 since 2005. We average 4 months a year cruising. It has been and still is excellent. We grease the 3 nipples annually and have never had to replace the gears as Brunton suggest.
I have had the Brunton Auto prop for circa 3500 engine hours. I needed a service for new bearings & rubber bush etc a few years ago (forget how long ago) It hit my pocket to the tune of circa £325-00 . I do service it every season. They did say that the rubber bush can deteriorate over some time, so it is not just bearings. They rebalanced the blades as part of the service. I seem to catch an awful lot of weed with my prop. I cruise the Channel Islands & the weed can be long strong roots. As well as this there is a lot of discarded net. Similar in the Dover Straits. In the future I would go for a folder to reduce the likelyhood of snagging when sailing, not under power.
 
+1.

That’s exactly what I was going to write!

I think the rapid anode loss may be associated with “plugging in” in marinas.
Plus another for Maxprop.
My boat came with a Maxprop, it must be quite old and I did get it refurbed by Darglow a few years ago, it works very well forwards and backwards. The first time I dismantled it to see how it worked I reassembled it wrongly and forwards became backwards etc which caught me by surprise trying to leave a finger berth..!
I've since learnt from that and my only comment is that it can be a little awkward reassembling alone but I think that's the older version like mine.
 
If ( big IF) there is a saving in fuel consumption then with 30% engine use that should be considered in the equation, as should a greater top speed for no increase in RPM. So it is not quite as simple as you might suggest
The fuel saving is an illusion. While a Bruntons may reduce the engine revs for a given cruising speed the power used is exactly the same. As fuel burn is a function of power there is no measurable reduction in fuel consumed either per hour or per mile. So it is a simple as I suggest. Of course people claim reduced consumption because the engine is running at lower revs, but that does not change the physics!
 
The fuel saving is an illusion. While a Bruntons may reduce the engine revs for a given cruising speed the power used is exactly the same. As fuel burn is a function of power there is no measurable reduction in fuel consumed either per hour or per mile. So it is a simple as I suggest. Of course people claim reduced consumption because the engine is running at lower revs, but that does not change the physics!

Yes and a little no. Power is converted to thrust through the blades so blade design can increase efficiency. Whether it's measurable is another question.
 
Having had to change over to the Volvo egg whisk prop for a couple of weeks, we found no measurable difference in fuel consumption (2 litres Per hour).
Whilst I’m not into getting every last knot under sail, the difference between the Volvo prop and the Brunton was no more than .5 knot. So, as I said, for me (a cruising type person only doing the occasional long (2-3 days +) trip the gains are not enough to warrant the cost. However, I will be considering taking the prop to my next boat (if we ever switch) as it means lower engine revs for the same speed, which is quieter than otherwise….
 
The fuel saving is an illusion. While a Bruntons may reduce the engine revs for a given cruising speed the power used is exactly the same. As fuel burn is a function of power there is no measurable reduction in fuel consumed either per hour or per mile. So it is a simple as I suggest. Of course people claim reduced consumption because the engine is running at lower revs, but that does not change the physics!
Also, if one considers consumption as liters/miles, it will be the lower the lower boat speed is, having a propeller which tends to give consistently higher boat speeds, tends to reduce mileage per liter.
In other words, if I run at 1500rpm a "normal" propeller and obtain 4kt, if at the same 1500rpm another propeller gives 5kts, (all other things being equal) mileage per liter will be lower with the second propeller; the boat "works" higher on its speed/resistance-power curve which is not linear.
If one plans to motor through the doldrums, something to consider :)
 
I have had the Brunton Auto prop for circa 3500 engine hours. I needed a service for new bearings & rubber bush etc a few years ago (forget how long ago) It hit my pocket to the tune of circa £325-00 . I do service it every season. They did say that the rubber bush can deteriorate over some time, so it is not just bearings. They rebalanced the blades as part of the service. I seem to catch an awful lot of weed with my prop. I cruise the Channel Islands & the weed can be long strong roots. As well as this there is a lot of discarded net. Similar in the Dover Straits. In the future I would go for a folder to reduce the likelyhood of snagging when sailing, not under power.
Thanks for the heads up on that. We sail mainly in France but get there from the Dart usually via the CI. We have never been aware of anything getting caught on the prop until this year. Mostly, it just slips off when sailing. This year late on, probably Falmouth, we did pick up a fairly thick, short length of rope.
 
Thanks for the heads up on that. We sail mainly in France but get there from the Dart usually via the CI. We have never been aware of anything getting caught on the prop until this year. Mostly, it just slips off when sailing. This year late on, probably Falmouth, we did pick up a fairly thick, short length of rope.
I sail from the east coast via the French coast & apart from weed, there are lots of pots in some well known areas. Boulogne/Cap griz nez. Just West of Dieppe & le Havre. West Of Cherbourg . I have had quite a few hook ups over the years along that coast.
That is not say that back in the UK, the Wash should not be out done either.
 
The fuel saving is an illusion. While a Bruntons may reduce the engine revs for a given cruising speed the power used is exactly the same. As fuel burn is a function of power there is no measurable reduction in fuel consumed either per hour or per mile. So it is a simple as I suggest. Of course people claim reduced consumption because the engine is running at lower revs, but that does not change the physics!
Actually I made the comment because the manufacturer claims a saving. On top of that I have seen reviews of some propeller suppliers claiming savings. I was not going to mention it but now I will. The fuel consumption of my autoprop is significantly higher than with the volvo fixed prop. Up from 1.7 litres per hour to 1.9 litres per hour when running at about 1900 RPM in ( I have to rev much higher in rough water & it rises to 2.3 litre per hour at 2300 RPM.) That is taken over many hours cruising both heavy weather to Dutch canals. I religiously keep fuel records so I know it is accurate.
 
Actually I made the comment because the manufacturer claims a saving. On top of that I have seen reviews of some propeller suppliers claiming savings. I was not going to mention it but now I will. The fuel consumption of my autoprop is significantly higher than with the volvo fixed prop. Up from 1.7 litres per hour to 1.9 litres per hour when running at about 1900 RPM in ( I have to rev much higher in rough water & it rises to 2.3 litre per hour at 2300 RPM.) That is taken over many hours cruising both heavy weather to Dutch canals. I religiously keep fuel records so I know it is accurate.
A more useful measure would be fuel per nautical mile. Fuel per unit time is shaft power. Power converted to thrust via the prop so " thrust specific fuel consumption" would be the correct measure to compare different props on the same hull.
 
A more useful measure would be fuel per nautical mile. Fuel per unit time is shaft power. Power converted to thrust via the prop so " thrust specific fuel consumption" would be the correct measure to compare different props on the same hull.
But that depends on sea conditions and wind. For comparison reasons you could only do it in flat water and no wind otherwise it would be hard to compare.
We know our fuel consumption at different revs. That's works for me. With a flat torque curve it doesn't seem to change regardless of sea conditions. Obviously, pushing in to a big sea and lots of wind we slow down but the fuel bill is the same per hour
 
Actually I made the comment because the manufacturer claims a saving. On top of that I have seen reviews of some propeller suppliers claiming savings. I was not going to mention it but now I will. The fuel consumption of my autoprop is significantly higher than with the volvo fixed prop. Up from 1.7 litres per hour to 1.9 litres per hour when running at about 1900 RPM in ( I have to rev much higher in rough water & it rises to 2.3 litre per hour at 2300 RPM.) That is taken over many hours cruising both heavy weather to Dutch canals. I religiously keep fuel records so I know it is accurate.
That is the whole point - with a fixed pitch prop at 1900rpm the prop will be demanding less power. at the same revs the Bruntons will demand more power and you will be travelling faster. As suggested it is consumption against speed that is the measure, not at engine RPM. Assuming comparable prop efficiency the power requirement is the same, just that the Bruntons will mean lower revs because it will repitch to fully load the engine.

As to the claims by manufacturers this is related to their claim for more efficient propellers, in other words converting a given amount of power into greater thrust. Very difficult to measure as I know from trying to do it in my previous life.
 
That is the whole point - with a fixed pitch prop at 1900rpm the prop will be demanding less power. at the same revs the Bruntons will demand more power and you will be travelling faster. As suggested it is consumption against speed that is the measure, not at engine RPM. Assuming comparable prop efficiency the power requirement is the same, just that the Bruntons will mean lower revs because it will repitch to fully load the engine..
i will contradict you there
First I would also ask why you suggest that the Brunton will demand more power? Please substantiate
second
Once the water gets a bit choppy the Brunton is markedly slower. In fact in a 1 metre chop I have to rev at max revs to get a variable 3-4 kts if I am lucky. I would get 5 kts continuously with a fixed prop without going to max revs. Why I say variable is because when the boat hits a wave it slows right down. The prop feathers & drive reduces. It gradually re pitches & the boat begins to move forward again. By that time it hits another wave & the cycle repeats. Looking over the stern one can see the wash from the prop "pulsing" as it drives, then stops then drives again. It is useles in chop. Something that the magazine test totally fails to report as it does not test real life situations. Because one is revving hard consumption rises rapidly. With my old fixed prop the revs were lower & drive continuous without the noticeable pulsing of the Brunton
 
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I had a Maxprop because Darglow did not then make a Featherstream big enough for my boat and its 88hp engine. The Maxprop was excellent and I stretched the greasing intervals to two years. If I could have fitted a featherstream i would have done as I think they offer the best value. I know a Kiwiprop is a bit cheaper but I doubt its as good, and it can give too much pitch astern for some boat/engine combinations.
 
Why I say variable is because when the boat hits a wave it slows right down. The prop feathers & drive reduces.

I'm interested in what would cause this, as it would seem to be a significant flaw in the workings of a feathering prop. Do the engine revs drop significantly when you hit a wave? I don't recall this happening with a fixed prop (although obviously the boat does slow down, which is inevitable).
 
My boat came with some jewel-like masterpieces of Italian engineering - Harken winches and a Maxprop. Collectively, they are my equivalent of a red sports car in the drive; they get polished and the service intervals are observed with zeal, because I can no more afford to replace that lot than I could afford to replace a Ferrari. But they are consistently excellent.
 
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