Mangusta 70 - 80ft (1996 - 2004) Advice

jfm said:
100% agreed. For decades, builders invariably recess the flat mount of the P bracket into the hull on P boats. Cant think of a builder who doesn't. It's so easy to do - a flat block tacked inside the mould creates the recess.

The insurance angle is interesting, and would worry me. It's now on public indelible record that the boat doesn't steer and is arguably unseaworthy.

Porto's post 205 above gives me a mental image of a USB cable. One end connected to his computer writing posts on here. The other end shoved 15 inches up his back passage, and he just squeezes his torso to write something, anything, regardless of any laws of science/engineering/physics, anytime there is even a hint that Mr Amati isn't God Almarti.
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Perhaps a quick survey is now required that could establish the following.

Please submit your opinion on which is the larger number

Porto's IQ or his shoe size

Note shoe size can either be in UK or Euro it shouldn't affect the outcome
 
MapisM said:
W, did you possibly see if the bracket remained so crudely mounted also in Fer Group Itamas?
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Ferretti Group Itama's have flash mounted P-brackets. But a lot of things changed in these, most notably that the engines are on V or U-drive.
But when you see the hull you notice other differences.
For example the spray rails close before transom (about thirty cm into the hull), and the trim tabs start from the hull.
You see a lot of Ferretti details in the FG Itamas.

I asked a guy who used to work with Amati, and he told me a story where a client had an order in Genova.
Now in Genova for those who remember, Itama used to have the hull visible not covered.
Anyways this client did not notice it in Genova and when he went to Rome he noticed this detail.
He wanted to have the P-bracket flash mounted on the 54, and Amati did not accept to do it.
Amati told him I will have to redo the shaft angle workings move the engines and so on so forth.
The hull is designed with that detail in mind was his reply and like this I have the measurements to perfection.
Anyways this guy ended cancelling his order....

So another detail for you....
 
Haha, yeah, he must have been a funny guy, if a bit pretentious.
Happy to learn that I don't need to swallow my hat, thanks for confirming that!
Anyhow, I appreciate that the bracket geometries change (slightly, but enough to need a redesign) when mounted recessed.
In fact, I did say that I'd never go that route on an existing boat.
But when the boat is still at the drawing board, it makes no meaningful difference to design the hull mould and the bracket in one or the other way.

To my simple mind, it's crystal clear that Amati just didn't think of doing it at the beginning, and would have never admitted it was a mishap afterwards.
In fairness, we should remind that his 38 was first introduced in the late 70s, though I'm 90% sure to have seen other boats of that vintage where the bracket was already flush mounted (Baglietto and Riva, IIRC).

Anyhow, the bottom line is that any pre-FG Itama owner could at least try the fairing route, knowing it's unlikely to make a night and day difference but it may bring at least a slight improvement.
'Fiuaskme, considering how easy and unexpensive it is to make a decent fairing job, I'd do it in a heartbeat, asking old Mario to forgive me in my bedtime prayers.
But hey, my boat is just a humble DP whose brackets are already flush, so what do I know...? :p
 
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SageMaster said:
I started investigating smaller sized boats from the great feedback in this feed. What are your thoughts and experience on the Pershing 54 early 2000 models. Thanks MapisM
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Not sure where in Australia you are but we live on board a Sunseeker Manhattan in Sydney.

Most of these larger luxury boats need permanent AC power as they are not designed to live aboard for months at a time.

They need to be connected to a marina or run a generator. Or they need to be modified with solar and large battery banks with inverters.

Also there is your waste, emptying of holding tanks, fresh water and getting to the boat in all sorts of weather.

If you are ever in Sydney, you are welcome to come aboard and we can show you what we do.

We have a few liveaboards close by, a Beneteau sailing boat about 50 foot, a Riviera aft cabin about 40 foot, an Ocean Alexander about 60 foot and a large catamaran sailing boat.

I don’t know if the others will let you on board or not, but you will get an idea of what may work for you.
 
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