Management and the Managed

[ianwright]

The people of the world are divided into two types. Management, or those who do it to people, and the managed, or those who have it done to them.

A family lived in a house rented for thirty years from the same company that owned their’ marina’ berth.
Management, who wanted the house for an employee of the company upped the rent for the house by 400%. After a few weeks of futile letter writing the tenant and his wife admitted defeat and moved out,,,,,,,, onto their boat. Management told them to vacate their berth, “No more liveaboards”. So they sailed. Somewhat sour.

The owner of an elderly wooden boat had the company lift out his boat for routine work. The boat was damaged during the lift. The owner asked the company to repair his boat under their insurance. The company refused and said that the owners insurance should pay. This time the owner had the resources to take the case to court, and he won. The Company paid for the repair. The next week they told the owner to remove his boat from company premises. He was not a ‘liveaboard’, but he was a trouble maker so he had to go.
That sounds like petty revenge to me.

It is long past time that boat owners, tenants of moorings that is, had the same level of protection in law from bad landlords, and good landlords from bad tenants as do house holders and landlords..

IanW


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[NigeCh]

Boaters have no rights

It's all into the small print printed by the sealord or waterlord which defines the tenancy ... and if you sign the contract then you sign upto the small print.

Ian, When was the last time that you completely read the small print on your van insurance????

Equally, when was the last time that you read the conditions (in even smaller print) that apply to Heybridge Basin?



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[ianwright]

Re: Boaters have no rights

The van? Three years ago.
My boat? Three months ago.
,,,,,,,,, and who mentioned Heybridge?

IanW

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[NigeCh]

Dichotomy ???

- My boat? Three months ago.

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I don't believe it!



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[ianwright]

It\'s True!

Well ok, four months,,,,,
among other things I discovered that my normal "British home trade waters, Brest to the Elbe" area of operations did NOT cover me for Dutch inland waters, which as I sail there most years means that I have been uninsured in Holland for the last 14 years! Doesn't cost any more either,,,,,,,,
Best to check,,,,,,,,,,,

IanW.

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[tcm]

Not quite sure it is entirely "petty".

I have a car park that back on to houses that have no garages. They pay five quid a month to use it. One guy turns his car into a football-crazyvehicle with stickers all over, so we said hmm look, pack that in, it's a staff car park, makes us look a right bunch of hooligans (charlton) so much sulking, and we asked again, and again. No action. So we toldim he couldn't park there any more, gave him his money back, and he would have to park in the council carpark half a mile away. Then - he talked to his solicitor - and the solicitor called us. I said aha, if the guy had come along and said look, okay, can we sort this out - then we might have sorted it out. But since he the sort that calls his solictor - and since "justice" always seems to favour the disposessed, daft, determined, and those who launch legals and don't think of the consequences (but don't have a collective noun beginning with d) then it's much better he stays out.

Protected tenancies? The UK does seem to have protected tenancies: keep your nose clean, and the berth is yours for life. Lots of people would like the berth if you cut up rough. I wouldn't want marina fees to go through the roof cos they are in court dfefending yet another case.

Or, you can have protected tenacies another way. You buy the lease. There are several for sale, at about 15 times annual berth costs. But expect these to have "no liveaboards" clauses - and also expect those who vacate them to leave them vacated, like their rented house would stay empty when they go on holiday, which means no visiting other marinas , cos they too would have no berths over whom the marina has day-to-day control - only long leases. So yesterday, in France, a third-empty Antibes marina with 2000 berths, lots unoccupied, yesterday (saturday) had to tell visitors that there are no spaces, time and again on VHF.

The time is well nigh that uk boat owners kept quiet cos it ain't too bad and could be a lot worse or a lot more expensive, or both

The issue of Noah does indeed sound like a rum do, albeit only to those weren't on the receiving end of the earlier court case. Given a free rein, his actions would change things for the worse, not for the better. Just as his court case did for him. His first court case was judged and he won. But, being intelligent, he'll know he'll lose this one. Yet his is not a worthy "greater" cause as he would like us all to believe. It is an individual case. Let's not follow his example.

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[ianwright]

A Choice?

>: keep your nose clean, and the berth is yours for life.<

But disagree and you're out?
I'm not claiming that 'they' are always wrong, or that 'we' are always right, just that there are better negotiating positions than "if you don't like it here then piss off." or "If you know of a better 'ole then go to it." That's all.

IanW.

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[GeorgeP]

Is this caused by lack of

competition?

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[tcm]

Re: competition

Yes, i suppose so. But there's never any competition for a "favourite" marina, or location - it's that one we want, not any other. The now-unmentionable resident has behaved as though there is lots of competition, when in fact his current berth is all he wants.



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[Twister_Ken]

What causes lack of competition?

An excess of demand over supply.

We need more moorings, whether swinging, piles, pontoons or marina-ised. We won't get many more without more boat-friendly policies at national and local government level.

It still astonishes me that no one (stand up RYA?) is making the case to all levels of government that boating is a (moderately) eco-friendly, sustainable way of improving local economies.

And some of those local economies are pretty blighted. East Cowes and Gosport are cases where recreational boating makes a difference at local level. Hastings is an example of where it doesn't, but it could if someone would invest in a decent breakwater. Shoreham is an example of a marginal commercial harbour that could be home to a thousand yachts if noses could be seen beyond the end of.

It will be interesting to see what happens to the local economy at West Bay, Bridport, when that harbour development is completed.

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[burgundyben]

Re: What causes lack of competition?

"An excess of demand over supply."

Is that true? On the Hamble there are berths available on the HM sub let list, available in all the MDL Marinas, a spare one with the warash ferry co, a spare one at hrsc, for years the RAF YC drew 7 boats names out of a hat at new years eve party, but there was 8 moorings...and you can leave a boat on the visitors moorings and be invoiced weekly at home and so it goes on...

I think Decons and praps elefant are the only two that are at bursting oint



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[Twister_Ken]

Re: What causes lack of competition?

Deacons is currently advertising spare slots. albeit at a handsome price.

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[burgundyben]

Re: What causes lack of competition?

ah, ok, so I was wrong about deacons (I thought you told me they were full), anyhow, thats a red herring and only goes to under line my point that there is not a shortgae of berths and so price is not driven by supply/demand, so I dont understand your reponse to TCM?

Oh, and I'm bored in the office and have eaten all my sarnies.



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[tcm]

Re: What causes lack of competition?

my point was that we are well aware of the choices, but the welsh resident doesn't want them.

Anyway, the e-type is a much better idea. Actually, an XKSS or D-type might be better, replica is fine, bit more practical in that you could bomb about in a not-pristine car whereas a non-pristine e-type looks a bit of a wreck. Exhaust note is important. Note also you could use up the spare sticky-on numbers like on the boat on a d-type and not look a twat, whereas the e-type is a bit old gittish. Unless it's a ratheap 3.8.

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[burgundyben]

Re: What causes lack of competition?

hmm, misunderstood your point, agrred, I think 2 b honest, observer had it right when he suggested "give up the crusade"

xkss (windscreen frame off a zodiac I think?) and d type both not as pretty as tin top 3.8 e type, was planning rough looking 3.8, driven everyday, noisy two fingers up to eurobox fraternity, plenty to choose from on JEC website too, later e types overweight fat cat cruiser stifled by yank emissions rules made by BL, yuk, 3.8 perfect accompaniment to Huntsman..

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[Twister_Ken]

Re: What causes lack of competition?

Dunno about these things but a mate has been running a Elan+2 for years as an everyday car and is quite pleased with it.

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[tcm]

Re: What causes lack of competition?

hm. BB can't be after relaibility though. If he was, he'd buy a mazda MX5. Bloke here has got one done 135,000 miles no problems. Worse, I soldim it for 2 grand at 90k.

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[Twister_Ken]

Re: What causes lack of competition?

>BB can't be after relaibility though<

Grease under the fingernails doesn't help when pulling birds, though. So I'm told.

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[ianwright]

Re: What causes lack of competition?

>Grease under the fingernails doesn't help when pulling birds<

No,,,,,? You're aiming at the wrong sort of woman, the good ones look further than that,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

IanW.

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[Peppermint]

Re: So remind me..

..which parts of yachting do we want regulated? The supply side? That should put the prices up nicely.



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