PhilipStapleton
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Too fussy for what?
man overboard
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Magic_Sailor
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We tried this (see thread below) but...if you drift down onto the MOB, the boat is healing ovet the top of the MOB - SWMBO found she just couldn't see him.
We found it better to keep him to windward (there is a small, calmer area to windward of a vessel)
Magic
We found it better to keep him to windward (there is a small, calmer area to windward of a vessel)
Magic
PIGLETSDREAM
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In my previous life I was a British Canoe Union Examiner and used to do river rescues that we staged. In my full canoe gear with lifejacket, 12 st 8lbs. Having bobed about in the water and with water in my clothing, 18st 6lbs. Picking up fenders is good technique practice, but put an anvil on the end to give it some realism. /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif
powerskipper
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about twice a week /forums/images/graemlins/grin.gif
Gunfleet
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Very strange behaviour
<<wear it in the bath, lay back to wet your noggin, allow the thing to soak a minute, try sitting up. sobering the first time I did this>> So you were pissed and put your oilies on to go for a bath? Wouldn't a shower have done?
<<wear it in the bath, lay back to wet your noggin, allow the thing to soak a minute, try sitting up. sobering the first time I did this>> So you were pissed and put your oilies on to go for a bath? Wouldn't a shower have done?
Oldhand
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Whenever my headgear blows off and goes over the side. As it is not bouyant, one does the rescue much more quickly than one sees the sailing schools messing around with fenders. /forums/images/graemlins/smile.gif
ghost
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Re: Very strange behaviour
nah ya dont get it, lay back and then try and sit up using your mid riff muscles, I guarantee you will need to use both arms as well and maybe then the large grey one. then weigh y'self.
nah ya dont get it, lay back and then try and sit up using your mid riff muscles, I guarantee you will need to use both arms as well and maybe then the large grey one. then weigh y'self.
Benbow
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I agree. Just parking broadside-on upwind and drifting down is a very safe and conservative approach. It is hard to mess it up and hard to kill the chap in the water. Obviously no use for fenders which will drift faster than you!
Stopping downwind seems bizarre.
Stopping downwind seems bizarre.
doris
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Under sail
Under sail we find give us much more control when if is blowing, the most likely scenario. Also leaves the engine as a last chance saloon. Using a life sling when get the fender, crash stop fashion, then heave on, 40 degree apparant, and the boat is doing about half a knot. Pull victim alongside and use halyard to pull them up. Who cares about a few bruises.
Under sail we find give us much more control when if is blowing, the most likely scenario. Also leaves the engine as a last chance saloon. Using a life sling when get the fender, crash stop fashion, then heave on, 40 degree apparant, and the boat is doing about half a knot. Pull victim alongside and use halyard to pull them up. Who cares about a few bruises.
ShipsWoofy
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NZ Coastguard
Hows that work then?
Is it like our RNLI, will you be a voluntary member on call?
Good on you by the way, but do tell us about it, start another thread.
Am very interested.....
Hows that work then?
Is it like our RNLI, will you be a voluntary member on call?
Good on you by the way, but do tell us about it, start another thread.
Am very interested.....
Sybarite
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I tried with my kids when they were young teenagers. 45 mins to recover a fender in ideal conditions! I decided then to stay on board.
John
John
fireball
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I used to teach dinghy sailing, one November I had a couple of lads in the boat (wasn't much older myself!) and we were doing MOB practice in wayfarers, big drum weighted with a bit of water ... they picked it up superbly every time ...
I was sat up by the mast whislt they were feeling really smug for doing so well, then I (deliberately) fell in ... wot a cok up!! As soon as it was someone really in the water they fell apart and (after I shooed the safety boat away) I had to talk them through the text book method again ... eventually being picked up by another boat in the fleet... they weren't so smug then and practiced a bit more!
I was sat up by the mast whislt they were feeling really smug for doing so well, then I (deliberately) fell in ... wot a cok up!! As soon as it was someone really in the water they fell apart and (after I shooed the safety boat away) I had to talk them through the text book method again ... eventually being picked up by another boat in the fleet... they weren't so smug then and practiced a bit more!
Rob_Webb
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This might work if still have crew aboard but if you have now become single-handed your #1 priority is to retain sight of casualty and get vessel back to them ASAP. Can't afford to spend much time resetting lines for lifting purposes - your technique (whatever it is) needs to be pretty much ready-to-go with no elaborate setting up required.
billcowan
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We have a rule: whenever somebody's hat blows off, we ALWAYS rescue it. So we are real good at unexpected MOB drills in rough weather. Hats usually sink (drown) in about five minutes, so you have to be quick.
Mind you it doesnt exercise the retreavel part: a hat you just grab with the boathook, cabt do that with a drunk 15 stone sailor!
Mind you it doesnt exercise the retreavel part: a hat you just grab with the boathook, cabt do that with a drunk 15 stone sailor!
Benbow
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I think PIP is 100% right about the approach, just drift onto the MOB.
For recovering him, I always sailed with a 5:1 purchase ending in a helicopter strop and permenantly setup from a spare halyard tied down to the toe-rail with a pair of slippery hitches and adjusted so that just releasing those hitches would drop the strop into the water. Never used this in anger but played with it dozens of times. When saiing with young kids I wanted to be sure they could get me out. With this system a light crew can comfortably pull up a heasvy adult or the MOB can lift himself if he is just passed the fall.
None of this helps much if the MOB is unconcious.
For recovering him, I always sailed with a 5:1 purchase ending in a helicopter strop and permenantly setup from a spare halyard tied down to the toe-rail with a pair of slippery hitches and adjusted so that just releasing those hitches would drop the strop into the water. Never used this in anger but played with it dozens of times. When saiing with young kids I wanted to be sure they could get me out. With this system a light crew can comfortably pull up a heasvy adult or the MOB can lift himself if he is just passed the fall.
None of this helps much if the MOB is unconcious.
LadyInBed
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Re: the safest approach
My experience of MOB is picking up Divers from inflatables, RIBs and hard boats.
In calm conditions it is ok to be upwind of a MOB, but if there is any wind and corresponding waves the boat will ride up the wave and tend to push the MOB down and under the boat.
The way that I was taught is to approach from down wind / current, the same as if picking up a mooring buoy, but overrun the buoy (MOB) with him on the windward side and get a grip of him before the boat starts to bear away.
From there recovery is by any of the oft talked about methods.
My experience of MOB is picking up Divers from inflatables, RIBs and hard boats.
In calm conditions it is ok to be upwind of a MOB, but if there is any wind and corresponding waves the boat will ride up the wave and tend to push the MOB down and under the boat.
The way that I was taught is to approach from down wind / current, the same as if picking up a mooring buoy, but overrun the buoy (MOB) with him on the windward side and get a grip of him before the boat starts to bear away.
From there recovery is by any of the oft talked about methods.
ghost
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Re: the safest approach
Its interesting to hear the various methods of recovery adopted by folk, some seem sensible and seamanlike , others seem a trite complicated and un-doable in any sort of sea.
I taught newbies in dinghies from beginner to level 5 for a dozen years or so and the preferred method in small light and highly manouvreable craft is to approach from downwind/tide and be at a dead stop with the subject at the windward shroud, the boat at more or less 30 degrees to the breeze in a ready to go position ( just sheet in the jib a little to go around again if necessary), to balance out the boat the main could be sheeted in a touch while pulling in the waterlogged subject aboard.
Larger yachts brought different issues, yeah it may be breezy but what are the prevalent waves doing, with the subject in the lee of the yacht might the boat rise up and 'land' on them as suggested, with the subject to weather might they be lifted 'up and onto' the rails by wave action.
Blimey this could go on - there are so many variables to consider. Each situation is unique, said boat may have counter stern with ladder or scoop and deck, ridiculous amount of freeboard or hardly any, w.a.t. or w+t together or confused sea beam on, guys we SHOULD practise this drill in as many various conditions as possible, not with a fender, with a five gallon plastic can mostly full of water wearing an old bouyancy aid or similar. For those dumb enough to actually deny they might ever come across or be in this scenario, I salute your ignorance and wish you luck
Its interesting to hear the various methods of recovery adopted by folk, some seem sensible and seamanlike , others seem a trite complicated and un-doable in any sort of sea.
I taught newbies in dinghies from beginner to level 5 for a dozen years or so and the preferred method in small light and highly manouvreable craft is to approach from downwind/tide and be at a dead stop with the subject at the windward shroud, the boat at more or less 30 degrees to the breeze in a ready to go position ( just sheet in the jib a little to go around again if necessary), to balance out the boat the main could be sheeted in a touch while pulling in the waterlogged subject aboard.
Larger yachts brought different issues, yeah it may be breezy but what are the prevalent waves doing, with the subject in the lee of the yacht might the boat rise up and 'land' on them as suggested, with the subject to weather might they be lifted 'up and onto' the rails by wave action.
Blimey this could go on - there are so many variables to consider. Each situation is unique, said boat may have counter stern with ladder or scoop and deck, ridiculous amount of freeboard or hardly any, w.a.t. or w+t together or confused sea beam on, guys we SHOULD practise this drill in as many various conditions as possible, not with a fender, with a five gallon plastic can mostly full of water wearing an old bouyancy aid or similar. For those dumb enough to actually deny they might ever come across or be in this scenario, I salute your ignorance and wish you luck
Rob_Webb
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Re: NZ Coastguard
Yes it is similar to the RNLI insofar that it is mostly staffed by volunteers and receives zero Govt funding. I'll start another thread on my experience of joining and training with them in a wee while when I've got some initial sea miles with them.
Yes it is similar to the RNLI insofar that it is mostly staffed by volunteers and receives zero Govt funding. I'll start another thread on my experience of joining and training with them in a wee while when I've got some initial sea miles with them.
Peppermint
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Re: Once a month or so.
Sailing with lots of different folks it's quite a good game to get them involved. It's nice for a skipper to find out that one of them can do the job.
Interesting in decent waves. As the boat settles into each wave the displaced water pushes the MOB away from the boat. Always catches out the unwary.
We did some on Saturday in quite testing conditions, Lashing rain, F5/6 with gusts to 38 knots and a 3 knot tide. 41ft boat and a guy who'd only ever sailed dinghys on his hols in the med, collected three out of three. Nice work.
Sailing with lots of different folks it's quite a good game to get them involved. It's nice for a skipper to find out that one of them can do the job.
Interesting in decent waves. As the boat settles into each wave the displaced water pushes the MOB away from the boat. Always catches out the unwary.
We did some on Saturday in quite testing conditions, Lashing rain, F5/6 with gusts to 38 knots and a 3 knot tide. 41ft boat and a guy who'd only ever sailed dinghys on his hols in the med, collected three out of three. Nice work.
