ghost
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How often do YOU practise this drill?
man overboard
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Rowana
Two steps lower than the ships' cat
Well, next week for sure - I've my yachtmaster exam on Friday !
ShipsWoofy
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Not enough!
Though we did, well the crew did drop a fender over in the harbour over winter in a F9 which had us chasing the fastest swimming MOB in the world. Caught up before it entered the marina and began swimming among the boats.
Though we did, well the crew did drop a fender over in the harbour over winter in a F9 which had us chasing the fastest swimming MOB in the world. Caught up before it entered the marina and began swimming among the boats.
ghost
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now, what do you consider the safest approach to someone in the water - given a slightly lumpy sea and a five blowing- windward or leeward at the stays?
I'm just trying to assess what the trend is among forumites, despite the training they may may not have
I'm just trying to assess what the trend is among forumites, despite the training they may may not have
ShipsWoofy
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Did not think about it in that instance, I just wanted me bloody fender back.
In a real MOB, if I was alone at the helm I would try to approach up wind so MOB was on my port side (massive blind spot on stbd).
If I was unhappy with approach I could stop engines in this case and the wind 'should' push us back off rather than run over bod. Problem with this method, if person can not help themselves it gives me seconds to try and get a hold of them before boat is backing off.
Robb Web described a situation in strong winds that if I read correctly he drifted down past casualty who then climbed aboard over the stern.
There is prolly not one answer per situation?
In a real MOB, if I was alone at the helm I would try to approach up wind so MOB was on my port side (massive blind spot on stbd).
If I was unhappy with approach I could stop engines in this case and the wind 'should' push us back off rather than run over bod. Problem with this method, if person can not help themselves it gives me seconds to try and get a hold of them before boat is backing off.
Robb Web described a situation in strong winds that if I read correctly he drifted down past casualty who then climbed aboard over the stern.
There is prolly not one answer per situation?
JonBrooks
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I know it may sound a tad anal but I try to do it at least once everytime I go out.
Even more so in someone elses boat.
Practice makes perfect and all that.
Regards
Even more so in someone elses boat.
Practice makes perfect and all that.
Regards
Colvic Watson
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On a vaguely related point, why does my Garmin 72 sometimes say 'drowning' on the screen. Very off putting, makes me look out the companion way to check.
Magic_Sailor
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Funnily enough, we practised last weekend and it was sobering.
I used to teach sailing and usually you have a crew of say 5 - so you can go all through the perceived wisdom - 1 to send mayday, note position, 1 to point, 1 to throw line, 1 to pick the "MOB" up etc etc - all very neat. I have to say, that when demonstrating - crash stop, under sail, under power etc I never missed - first time each time. Crew would then have a go and by and large no problem.
However, last weekend it was just SWMBO and me - and I was demonstrating to her.
Wind F3 to 4, MOB, hove to (heave ho as SWMBO calls it - much better) engine on motor slowly to MOB - missed 3 times.
With just me to concentrate on everything it was virtually impossible to control everything - let alone hittting the GPS and getting a Mayday off. The idea of then, on ones own, getting the MOB back OB fills me with horror - I'm not sure it can be done in fact.
Now, you are to consider that it is me who is the MOB. Wind F6 or more, bug waves, SWMBO less au fait with boat handling etc. She manages to get alongside me (v doubtful) - how does one person (a loydy) get me (weight 14st increased to what - 20/22 st when water logged) back on board.
It really did give me pause for thought. I am considering that I should insist that if just the two of us are sailing together we should be clipped on what ever the conditions. Maybe and over reaction.
Any thoughts and suggestions would be welcome.
Magic
I used to teach sailing and usually you have a crew of say 5 - so you can go all through the perceived wisdom - 1 to send mayday, note position, 1 to point, 1 to throw line, 1 to pick the "MOB" up etc etc - all very neat. I have to say, that when demonstrating - crash stop, under sail, under power etc I never missed - first time each time. Crew would then have a go and by and large no problem.
However, last weekend it was just SWMBO and me - and I was demonstrating to her.
Wind F3 to 4, MOB, hove to (heave ho as SWMBO calls it - much better) engine on motor slowly to MOB - missed 3 times.
With just me to concentrate on everything it was virtually impossible to control everything - let alone hittting the GPS and getting a Mayday off. The idea of then, on ones own, getting the MOB back OB fills me with horror - I'm not sure it can be done in fact.
Now, you are to consider that it is me who is the MOB. Wind F6 or more, bug waves, SWMBO less au fait with boat handling etc. She manages to get alongside me (v doubtful) - how does one person (a loydy) get me (weight 14st increased to what - 20/22 st when water logged) back on board.
It really did give me pause for thought. I am considering that I should insist that if just the two of us are sailing together we should be clipped on what ever the conditions. Maybe and over reaction.
Any thoughts and suggestions would be welcome.
Magic
starboard
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Yeah very careless that Steve Tyer......keeps losing folk overboard!!!! Enjoy your visit to Troon.
Good luck
Paul.
Good luck
Paul.
dralex
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Weird- we were just talking about that last night and have decided to do some practice in the next few weeks and try and find the best way for us on our current boat. I suspect it will still come back to the old gem of getting an unconscious or injured person back on board whilst sailing short handed. We're going to try the crash tack method.
Are the RYA getting a bit more open minded now about variations in method? It's all very well when fully crewed up and have spotters and people to sheet in sails and man VHF, but different recipes are needed with only one person left on the boat.
I suppose it can't be said enough, but don't go over in the first place. My father in law refuses to practice anything like MOB on the argument that he will never go over. I cannot agree with this- it has to be worth practicing, even if it's just ot get a hat back.
Are the RYA getting a bit more open minded now about variations in method? It's all very well when fully crewed up and have spotters and people to sheet in sails and man VHF, but different recipes are needed with only one person left on the boat.
I suppose it can't be said enough, but don't go over in the first place. My father in law refuses to practice anything like MOB on the argument that he will never go over. I cannot agree with this- it has to be worth practicing, even if it's just ot get a hat back.
BlueSkyNick
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I have been concerned about the very same, ie SWMBO bringing the boat back to exactly the right place.
My answer was to buy one of those lines, whose name escapes me, with a sling on the end. She would throw the sling over, and motor away so the line runs out. Then around in a circle with me as MOB am in the middle of it, the line gets close enough to grab. Then hopefully between us, I get pulled towards the boat, rather than run over by it.
Poorly explained in haste, but I hope you get the gist !
All very well, as long as its not rough, dark, etc etc and that she actually wants to get me back.
As with all these MOB threads, it comes back DON'T GO OVER IN THE FIRST PLACE!
My answer was to buy one of those lines, whose name escapes me, with a sling on the end. She would throw the sling over, and motor away so the line runs out. Then around in a circle with me as MOB am in the middle of it, the line gets close enough to grab. Then hopefully between us, I get pulled towards the boat, rather than run over by it.
Poorly explained in haste, but I hope you get the gist !
All very well, as long as its not rough, dark, etc etc and that she actually wants to get me back.
As with all these MOB threads, it comes back DON'T GO OVER IN THE FIRST PLACE!
Gunfleet
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<<I used to teach sailing and usually you have a crew of say 5 >> not in my old Wayfarer we didn't!
Gunfleet
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hat overboard
This is where a Tilley hat comes in handy. I have done hat overboard drill more times than I care to count. Of course you could wear the string under your chin, but where's the fun in that?
This is where a Tilley hat comes in handy. I have done hat overboard drill more times than I care to count. Of course you could wear the string under your chin, but where's the fun in that?
fireball
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Here's one advantage of having DSC in the cockpit ... wack of a DSC alert - thats that taken care of to start with - position and distress noted by CG (assuming in range!) although they don't know what the problem is and will be wanting a voice call, it will start the rescue procedure going ...
Does anyone know if, when hitting off a DSC alert on a VHF it is possible to mark on a connected chartplotter at the same time? Would seem a sensible addition. Guess not as you only usually feed into the VHF, not from it /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif - here ya go Jon ... mods for the Icom series ... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Anyway - [no thanks] the pointing - get your toys out first .. - you know you'll turn away from the MOB at some point and WILL loose sight ... so plenty of markers will help you spot the poor [no thanks] in the water..
By the time you have managed to control the boat and got back to the MOB there should be a helicopter or lifeboat or both on their way ...
Does anyone know if, when hitting off a DSC alert on a VHF it is possible to mark on a connected chartplotter at the same time? Would seem a sensible addition. Guess not as you only usually feed into the VHF, not from it /forums/images/graemlins/frown.gif - here ya go Jon ... mods for the Icom series ... /forums/images/graemlins/laugh.gif
Anyway - [no thanks] the pointing - get your toys out first .. - you know you'll turn away from the MOB at some point and WILL loose sight ... so plenty of markers will help you spot the poor [no thanks] in the water..
By the time you have managed to control the boat and got back to the MOB there should be a helicopter or lifeboat or both on their way ...
ghost
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your out law may not himself go over, but what if you do? could he cope? do you trust him?
I have a notion that we should be quite droll and practice this all the time, each time we go out with whoever we go with, it can only help with things like coming alongside a jetty, picking up a blown chart or binoculars say, yes picking a person (of any size waterlogged) is a task, the higher the freeboard the bigger the problem, on a similar note guys,
HAVE ANY OF YOU EVER WORN YOUR MUSTO IN THE BATH?
Sure they are good when its raining but the lining is as good as natural sponge, next time you clean it try this for yourself - wear it in the bath, lay back to wet your noggin, allow the thing to soak a minute, try sitting up. sobering the first time I did this, imagine the effort necessary to get you back on board, we dont wear these anymore (sorry keith) wearing only hpx and 'correct' base layers, no fleeces.
I have a notion that we should be quite droll and practice this all the time, each time we go out with whoever we go with, it can only help with things like coming alongside a jetty, picking up a blown chart or binoculars say, yes picking a person (of any size waterlogged) is a task, the higher the freeboard the bigger the problem, on a similar note guys,
HAVE ANY OF YOU EVER WORN YOUR MUSTO IN THE BATH?
Sure they are good when its raining but the lining is as good as natural sponge, next time you clean it try this for yourself - wear it in the bath, lay back to wet your noggin, allow the thing to soak a minute, try sitting up. sobering the first time I did this, imagine the effort necessary to get you back on board, we dont wear these anymore (sorry keith) wearing only hpx and 'correct' base layers, no fleeces.
Talbot
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method really depends on boat characteristics, condition of person in water, and umber of crew. Last time I did it for real (guy from another boat), I was on my own and the wind was blowing at 33 knots.
My approach was , to say the least unorthodox, but suits me and my boat, all sails down, get a bit down wind and to one side and motor astern until parallel with man, throw rope, and ensure that he was secured, get long ladder over the side such that you can stand on the lower est rung and still be entirely in the water, cut engine and try to get man alongside before boat got up to 5 knots under bare poles - anybody reckoning that heaving to would do the trick hasnt seen a cat doing 5 knots sideways!
If you motor astern, most boats will come directly into the wind. Slow speed up wund in a boat with one engine and two rudders is a bit fraught, directly downwind threatens the man in the water and is dangerous because of the propellor.
It certainly worked, but I found that trying to call a mayday from the mike by the chart table was an exercise in futility (although I did manage to in the end) - I have since lengthened the mike cord so that I can operate it in the cockpit.
My approach was , to say the least unorthodox, but suits me and my boat, all sails down, get a bit down wind and to one side and motor astern until parallel with man, throw rope, and ensure that he was secured, get long ladder over the side such that you can stand on the lower est rung and still be entirely in the water, cut engine and try to get man alongside before boat got up to 5 knots under bare poles - anybody reckoning that heaving to would do the trick hasnt seen a cat doing 5 knots sideways!
If you motor astern, most boats will come directly into the wind. Slow speed up wund in a boat with one engine and two rudders is a bit fraught, directly downwind threatens the man in the water and is dangerous because of the propellor.
It certainly worked, but I found that trying to call a mayday from the mike by the chart table was an exercise in futility (although I did manage to in the end) - I have since lengthened the mike cord so that I can operate it in the cockpit.
Rob_Webb
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I've got some recent real-life MOB experience, see here: http://www.ybw.com/forums/showflat.php/Cat/0/Number/722335/page/0/fpart/all/vc/1
As a result of this incident the NZ coastguard invited me to join their service which I decided to do, so I'm now part way thru the training program. Very interesting. Looking forward to learning lots more and putting my training into practice.
As a result of this incident the NZ coastguard invited me to join their service which I decided to do, so I'm now part way thru the training program. Very interesting. Looking forward to learning lots more and putting my training into practice.
PhilipStapleton
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If you immediately heave to and use the engine to gently motor so you drift down onto the MOB, the boat is stable and forms a lea for the MOB. The windward sheet of the foresail is slack, so untie it, put a large bowline in it an get it over the MOB. Attach a snatch block (every boat should have one!) toi the sheet and hoist the block 6 feet or so aloft using the topping lift. The sheet is already rove through pulleys to give a fair line to the sheet winch, so you can winch the MOB above the guardrail from there. There's less winching to do if your guardrail is secured by a rope you can cut.
Drifting onto the MOB seems to take a long time, but it is shorter than the tacking method and you don't have to furl any sails. A crew member can send a Mayday while you are drifting down.
If you miss, you force the boat though the heave-to with the engine and try again. If you are short handed, send the Mayday while heaved to before you go round for the second try.
Drifting onto the MOB seems to take a long time, but it is shorter than the tacking method and you don't have to furl any sails. A crew member can send a Mayday while you are drifting down.
If you miss, you force the boat though the heave-to with the engine and try again. If you are short handed, send the Mayday while heaved to before you go round for the second try.
Rob_Webb
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Too fussy
Rowana
Two steps lower than the ships' cat
I'm sure I will enjoy myself. Looking forward to it !