Looking for replacement mast foot

[ianat182]

I live not too far from the Barge Chandlery and could view any mast foot they might have, but of course would need some idea of the make of the mast, or at least the dimensions of the casting required to fit INSIDE the existing mast form ,and the length from the front to the centre of the pivot, in fact any that might be critical. Are you able to re-send the original photo of the mast step itself , fully dimensioned so I can copy here. I'll get the price from them and inform you so you can deal with them and be aware of any VAT/import problems/costs.and delivery details they would need.
By the way, that Pivot hole needs trueing and some tubing insert as a 'bearing', - even using the Dural plates repair method.

ianat182

 

[Refueler]

Thanks Ian ... the item is in the metals workshop and I would need to get in there without crossing Covid boundaries.

Yes the pivot hole already discussed with them to 'true it up' etc.

Bear with me and I'll try get the measurements.

Cheers
Nigel

 

[William_H]

By the way, that Pivot hole needs trueing and some tubing insert as a 'bearing', - even using the Dural plates repair method.

ianat182

I may have the wrong idea here but a pivot hole should not be tight (true) it needs lots of free play so that all weight of the mast is on the base of the mast. When sailing the pivot pin etc simply locate the base of the mast sideways fore and aft so no pressure to move it. Load is only on the pivot as mast is lowered. So the more free play in the pivot bolt the more sideways swing can be accommodated before casting gets damaged. ol'will

 

[ianat182]

Yes I take your point.
My thinking was that the new crossways span between the suggested pivot holes in the side pieces are now at least 1" further apart so that a 'bridge' is needed with the longer bolt through the pivot, I would remove only part of the broken mast foot so that they could still be partial supports of the through bolt of the original on the mast foot (which may have fractured because of the slackness in those too). Its all guesswork without the actual units to measure .
I don't think the OP wants to remove the tenon plate of the mounting( and any kingpost below deck}- just the mast foot casting.
Repairing with Stainless steel plates seemed more easy than Dural aluminium options- disimilar metals, but, Duralac would help; likewise the bolts are stainless anyway, so would still be subject to that possibility. Without the manufacrurers name there are likely to be several mast manufacturers that could have made the foot assembly, Proctor( now Selden) Kemp, Sailspars, some who have been gone for years, so its a mix and match search.
I don't know the yacht the OP has,25 ft Sunrider; a mast section would better identify it, it may have a inner web section for halyards or cables to masthead lights,, but has a luff groove.

ianat182

 

[Refueler]

Hi Ian ....

Mast base itself .... max Internal width is 85.5mm .......... max internal from rear flat plate inside to the inside front face is 101.9mm

Tried to upload a pic .. but think gremlins are at my Internet again !!

 

[ianat182]

Hi Nigel! Back again.
Thanks for the info. I 'm going to the Chandlery on Monday. I had quite an interesting session of trying to find out the maker of the mast foot plug ,even going to the USA websites, but none found; however, during my searches came across some data on different types of tabernacle designs and actual photos with dimensions.
The reason I did was an old advert on the web for your boat typeSearider25 built in 1969- and it has a tabernacle fitted similar to a couple on the websites :- steelratlogbook.ru and one like YBW called 'Sailing Anarchy', with again, one of the designs being discussed on the latter.
On the former site items 11,12, and 15 but cheaper might be No15. You may be able to secure to the deckhead using the existing base screws /bolts to secure the bases of all these optional designs. Else you will probably be OK as your work in progress methods are tried out. By the way as William H pointed out to me - the discussions mentioned too- allowing the pivot holes to be a slack fit rather than close to help some sideways movement when lowering the mast.

Cheers,

Ian

 

[NorthUp]

Yours looks the same as mine, on a Colvic 26 sailer.
There is a facebook group
Colvic Sailor 26 and 29 Owners group

where 4 days ago somebody posted breaking an entire boat for spares- might be worth a look.
Edit- here's a link
Colvic Sailor 26 and 29 Owners group
But you might have to join the group to view it.

 

[Refueler]

Hi Nigel! Back again.
Thanks for the info. I 'm going to the Chandlery on Monday. I had quite an interesting session of trying to find out the maker of the mast foot plug ,even going to the USA websites, but none found; however, during my searches came across some data on different types of tabernacle designs and actual photos with dimensions.
The reason I did was an old advert on the web for your boat typeSearider25 built in 1969- and it has a tabernacle fitted similar to a couple on the websites :- steelratlogbook.ru and one like YBW called 'Sailing Anarchy', with again, one of the designs being discussed on the latter.
On the former site items 11,12, and 15 but cheaper might be No15. You may be able to secure to the deckhead using the existing base screws /bolts to secure the bases of all these optional designs. Else you will probably be OK as your work in progress methods are tried out. By the way as William H pointed out to me - the discussions mentioned too- allowing the pivot holes to be a slack fit rather than close to help some sideways movement when lowering the mast.

Cheers,

Ian

Hi Ian .... thanks for all help ... forgive me for asking - but didn't you have a HR42 in Northshore Marina ??

As I posted before - to change to a Tabernacle would mean substantial modifications to the mast - IF it was viable. The mast as I was told by previous owner of the boat - was actually shortened from its original length .. but the diameter is as to be expected on this size boat.

Looking fwd to any news ...

Cheers
Nigel

 

[Refueler]

Yours looks the same as mine, on a Colvic 26 sailer.
There is a facebook group
Colvic Sailor 26 and 29 Owners group

where 4 days ago somebody posted breaking an entire boat for spares- might be worth a look.
Edit- here's a link
Colvic Sailor 26 and 29 Owners group
But you might have to join the group to view it.

Cheers .. will look ...

Nigel

 

[ianat182]

Hi Ian ....

Mast base itself .... max Internal width is 85.5mm .......... max internal from rear flat plate inside to the inside front face is 101.9mm

Tried to upload a pic .. but think gremlins are at my Internet again !! View attachment 130914
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Hi Ian .... thanks for all help ... forgive me for asking - but didn't you have a HR42 in Northshore Marina ??

As I posted before - to change to a Tabernacle would mean substantial modifications to the mast - IF it was viable. The mast as I was told by previous owner of the boat - was actually shortened from its original length .. but the diameter is as to be expected on this size boat.

Looking fwd to any news ...

Cheers
Nigel

In answer to the first question!!- No, I wish I could afford the mooring alone for one of those nice craft.
Results of my visit to the Chandlery Barge id not get any results there ,but the young lady(daughter perhps) gave me the business card for a yacht scrap yard in Gosport called the BOAT SCRAPYARD - www.boatscrapyard.com to whom I sent a request to advise if a mast foot is available. They scrap whoe botas and all instrumentation is recycled some nearly brand new. I copied the two photos to them and told them the age range likelyin the early 70's, and also the dimensions you gave-back the probably in imperial so converted these as well. They are checking their stock of items being recycled or stockand will contact me if any suitable item found . They sell via Ebay and Paypal,card and cheque. I don't know whether there is any problem with air mail parcels abroad where you are located in the present climate or if you have a colleague who might bring it to you if found. Have a look at their website quite good. They do not allow visitor browsing in person- H&S I believe, but they were very prompt in their reply to me.
In the event no luck I think the two plate method is the cheaper option. I also mentioned that the deck part of the assembly might also be needed but we'll see. They are replying to me at the moment but if you want to email etc, direct, their address s The Anchorage Gosport Hampshire, PO121LZ. +44(0)2392 984666 Phone.

Ian[/QUOTE]

 

[slawosz]

If you want, I can ask around on polish equivalent of this forum. You might know that fast mast lowering is essential polish masurian Lake District so it’s well known issu there.

 

[ianat182]

If you want, I can ask around on polish equivalent of this forum. You might know that fast mast lowering is essential polish masurian Lake District so it’s well known issu there.

Hi slawosz
Long time no talk! IANA sold to an owner on the Medway and been painted Bright Red now!

Cheers
Ian

 

[Refueler]

If you want, I can ask around on polish equivalent of this forum. You might know that fast mast lowering is essential polish masurian Lake District so it’s well known issu there.

Really appreciated ....

I have 3 bridges to negotiate and that mast pivot is essential for me ...

Cheers

 

[slawosz]

Hi slawosz
Long time no talk! IANA sold to an owner on the Medway and been painted Bright Red now!

Cheers
Ian

Hi Ian, yes, I remember. Although if we talk about your Westerly Tiger, there is still one in London - not sure if this is the same.

Really appreciated ....

I have 3 bridges to negotiate and that mast pivot is essential for me ...

Cheers

Sure, I will ask around.

 

[Refueler]

My Metal Master pal - half his staff went down with Omicron variant - so his works have been seriously delayed.
But he reckons I can go in next week and with his specialist welder - fix my piece.

The idea is to weld the broken pieces back. We know this will not be strong enough. Petrs factory has contracts with Aeronautical firms - even Military Fighter aircraft parts !! This means he has significant amount of offcuts of Aircraft grade Dural .... idea being to create shaped side cheeks to the original item to give support and strength. The gap between these side cheeks and the central rewelded pivot - will have tubes fitted to steady the through bolt. The one consideration being that the tubes must be removable - so I can feed halyards before stepping mast.

 

[ianat182]

Hi Nigel,
I didn't know if Duraluminium could be welded, if so it could save you a lot of money, and arranging import etc.
The Gosport people still have my enquiry on their search list and I will email if one is found, and you still want one.

 

[Refueler]

Hi Nigel,
I didn't know if Duraluminium could be welded, if so it could save you a lot of money, and arranging import etc.
The Gosport people still have my enquiry on their search list and I will email if one is found, and you still want one.

It takes specialist gear ... which they have ... the question being whether it welds OK to Cast Alloy ... but even if not welded - the plates would be held by two substantial through bolts that carry the halyard sheaves. The original was pins with heads and self-tapper screws. They were old and when one failed - I swapped to the bolts ...

Those bolts can provide sufficient holding if needed.

'Gosport' ? I misunderstood - I thought you were looing at Hamble / Swanwick Barge ? .... I really appreciate any help ...

 

[ianat182]

Hi Nigel . If you view my previous post No. 30 i wrote fuller details, but it was covered with the 2 'REPLY blanks' so had to click on it to read.
As regards the Dural I worked for some years at the Folland and HawkerSiddeley factories -they built the Gnat fighter and trainer; and used to use Dural for their component manufacture. Most stock was billets and sheet- I don't remember it being anodised or welded then. My Dad made me a Dural model of a Sunderland flying boat when I was about 11 for my birthday!
Hope all is well in that neck of the woods.

ianat182

 

[Refueler]

Hi Ian ....

Mast base itself .... max Internal width is 85.5mm .......... max internal from rear flat plate inside to the inside front face is 101.9mm

Tried to upload a pic .. but think gremlins are at my Internet again !! View attachment 130914

In answer to the first question!!- No, I wish I could afford the mooring alone for one of those nice craft.
Results of my visit to the Chandlery Barge id not get any results there ,but the young lady(daughter perhps) gave me the business card for a yacht scrap yard in Gosport called the BOAT SCRAPYARD - www.boatscrapyard.com to whom I sent a request to advise if a mast foot is available. They scrap whoe botas and all instrumentation is recycled some nearly brand new. I copied the two photos to them and told them the age range likelyin the early 70's, and also the dimensions you gave-back the probably in imperial so converted these as well. They are checking their stock of items being recycled or stockand will contact me if any suitable item found . They sell via Ebay and Paypal,card and cheque. I don't know whether there is any problem with air mail parcels abroad where you are located in the present climate or if you have a colleague who might bring it to you if found. Have a look at their website quite good. They do not allow visitor browsing in person- H&S I believe, but they were very prompt in their reply to me.
In the event no luck I think the two plate method is the cheaper option. I also mentioned that the deck part of the assembly might also be needed but we'll see. They are replying to me at the moment but if you want to email etc, direct, their address s The Anchorage Gosport Hampshire, PO121LZ. +44(0)2392 984666 Phone.

Ian[/QUOTE]
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Hi Ian ... my reason in asking about Northshore ... I knew an Ian who lived near Emsworth .. he had a HR42 ...

Boatscrapyard - I am member of similar - think its same people - on Facebook ... and they have had all info from day one ... but lets keep fingers crossed.

Boat Scrapyard

Dural - it was offered - but Metals guys will make decision as to what is best used ... I know Oil / Fuel / Gas ... but metals is not my field !

I really appreciate your help.

Nigel

 

[ianat182]

Hi Nigel, Yes they seem to be the same firm I don't use Facebook though.

I must be going senile I think- Just been paging through all my photos for other photos and came across this one of my ex Westerly Tiger sold some 3 years ago. The mast is a Proctor mast and the foot is identical to yours . I checked Selden,s website who took them over but they don't still show any Proctor Mast Spares pictures but may have some - I'll see if they have.
Just checked and most of the Westerly range of Centaurs, Tigers were all fitted with this mast foot type, my boat was 25' and Centaurs 26ft, probably Berwicks and Pageants were too, so the chances of getting one are pretty good if mast failed and scrapped for some other reason. At least you Know the maker name