London boat show

Loved the Show

I've been on 3 days so far --- and all for myself nothing to do with business.

I actually like the all-one-hall although lawd knows how Sunseeker got permission to 'cut it almost in two' with their stand. Biggest disappointment is lack of sailing boats --- very, very few.

Boats I really liked :-
P52, P82 (although my personal preference will always be single-deckers)
Pearl 75 ( have a look, some really interesting features)
Targa 62 (I for one didnt think they could improve the 58 ... they have)
S/seeker San Remo and Predator

Still only done 1/3 of the show so need to go back on Thursday (too much yacking)
 
Powersalt said:
I went over the Princess 52, where I too was not sure about the aft galley but in fact it worked fine, and I thought the accomodation was amazing for such a size boat, the glass windows opening up the whole area. Boat already sold so I kept my hands in my pockets, thank goodness.
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Good News - they're making more :D We'll need another build-a-boat hread after Match 2 is finished :D:D
 
Looks like I will have to wait until Saturday to have a poke around the P52. People off on Thursday & Friday.

Fingers crossed it's not too busy.

Henry :)
 
Just received an email from C&J Marine to say they are visiting the show on Thursday and if anybody wants to talk to them about new covers/upholstery then contact them on the day to arrange a meeting via a mobile number :mad:

I must be missing a trick here - Anybody want to meet me re:- designing and fitting out there office inc a free quotation, pen and croissant for all converted orders over £1 million on the day contact me on ... :eek:

Henryf should also have a fleet of Porsches in the Princess VIP Parking Lot ( LBS Special Offer) ... :rolleyes:

I think this is a bloody cheek when everyone else has paid to exhibit - If they are found touting for business imho --- out you go unless they are offering list less 75% on the day :D

We need to support the exhibitors not the touts imho or no show next year :(
 
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henryf said:
Looks like I will have to wait until Saturday to have a poke around the P52. People off on Thursday & Friday.

Fingers crossed it's not too busy.

Henry :)
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Henry - You are getting too soft with your staff :o
Day off whatever next :eek:
You will no doubt be paying them to work for you soon :confused:

Hope you can make it to the show as we all look forward to reading your review and looking @ the photos of the P52 ;)
 
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I fear someone has been peeking throu ma and pa's keyhole.......


Be interested what you think Henry now that you have lived with the 50 for a while.

The galley aft works but as stated you loose the nice dinette which was a useful spot and the galley location means no 'in the buff' sorties to the fridge or to put the kettle on unless you like to show off. great crew cabin (for charter work) and i liked the compact E/R which was very accessable too I thought.
 
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mjf said:
I fear someone has been peeking throu ma and pa's keyhole.......


Be interested what you think Henry now that you have lived with the 50 for a while.

The galley aft works but as stated you loose the nice dinette which was a useful spot and the galley location means no 'in the buff' sorties to the fridge or to put the kettle on unless you like to show off. great crew cabin (of charter work) and i liked the compact E/R which was very accessable too I thought.
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Dependent on Henry's analytical review this could make the difference between success and failure for Princess on the new P52 which imho is really a replacement for the P54 as has the same overall length so how they can say this is a P50 replacement beats me :confused: - no wonder he gets free parking and entrance tickets :D
 
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EME said:
I've been on 3 days so far --- and all for myself nothing to do with business.

I actually like the all-one-hall although lawd knows how Sunseeker got permission to 'cut it almost in two' with their stand. Biggest disappointment is lack of sailing boats --- very, very few.

Boats I really liked :-
P52, P82 (although my personal preference will always be single-deckers)
Pearl 75 ( have a look, some really interesting features)
Targa 62 (I for one didnt think they could improve the 58 ... they have)
S/seeker San Remo and Predator

Still only done 1/3 of the show so need to go back on Thursday (too much yacking)
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I'll be at LIBS tomorrow afternoon, and am looking fwd to seeing some of these boats. I had a good crawl over the Pearl at SIBS, and thought she was stunning. My boat of the show. JFM doesn't think she has enough horses in the engine room, and the jury is still out on the pods, but of course they do free up a lot of space.
 
Well spent a good day at LIBS yesterday. I thought the layout was better all in one hall and most stands were boaty with only a few hot tub people.

I really really liked the Princess 52
although I think the sealine F42 and F48 are clever and full of good ideas I still don't really like them. I suspect they are being a bit too brave in the design department (but they said that about Chris Bangle and that worked out more than OK)

Jeaneau Prestige 450 and 500 I did like and I think will do well against Sealine . It hasn't got the detailing that more prestigious brands have, but the overall layout and external design is very good for the money.

The Bavaria 42 was interesting to see how much boat you can make for how little money (but do something about the helm seat finish)

The smaller Fairlines (50 down) still have helm seats that are still too small, too upright and far too close to the wheel and I'm only 5'6" on a good day and too many square corners inside to bruise yourself on. They should put the designers on board for a week and do a 100nm trip when its a bit windy - they might start thinking differently then.

I went outside and had a look at the older targa 47, Phantom 46 etc which felt much better immediately than the newer stuff. Good helms, well placed controls and radiused edges.
Is it me are Sunseekers relatively expensive for no real improvement over the Princess/Fairline?

It seems Pod drives are here to stay. I can see why the boat builders like them - easy to assemble with no alignment hassle and lots of new design choices - but I'm still not convinced that the fuel savings out weigh the extra maintenance costs for most people.

I couldn't get anyone to tell me what they actually cost to service. All I could get was oil change and anodes each year, so not much (really?) oh by the way the seals need changing every three years with the pod taken off (so that will be cheap too!) Don't know how much of that is true so if anyone can enlighten me I would be interested to hear the long term pod drive story.
 
rafiki_ said:
I had a good crawl over the Pearl at SIBS, and thought she was stunning. My boat of the show. JFM doesn't think she has enough horses in the engine room, and the jury is still out on the pods, but of course they do free up a lot of space.
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I had another look over it Rafiki at LIBS with the MD of Pearl. Lovely boat in very many respects. He said 29knots with a clean bum, and no stabiliser drag becuase it has 2 gyros. This is marginal for me: I'd prefer fins which would mean 27.5 knots, and while I don't want to travel at that speed I do believe there is a psychological benefit on long cruises if the engines are running at low rpm. In a 33 knot boat the engines tend to be doing say 1700rpm in the cruise, and if they are doing (say) 2100rpm it might compromise "ride quality" so to speak. But there again the engines on that Pearl are far back so they're very quiet when you are located in the usual zones of the boat underway, so it could be fine. Anyway, 1250hp is the limit with those pods becuase there are no higher horsepower engines on the market that don't have too much torque for the pods. The boat has very nice accommodation, and the possiblity of a flybridge staircase port side, taking out the port-most kitchen unit. It ticks very many boxes
 
henryf said:
Looks like I will have to wait until Saturday to have a poke around the P52. People off on Thursday & Friday.

Fingers crossed it's not too busy.

Henry :)
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Henry I'd be very interested to read your review of the prin 52 (and 82 if poss), because you have many hours experience of the prin 50. And I like reading your reviews :)

I'm sceptical of the aft galley too. That said however, many builders are now going this route. Ferretti, for example. A colleague here in the office has bought a new Squadron 50 and takes delivery at Easter, and he bought it as a swap for Phantom 48 particularly because he thought the aft galley was a good idea. The builders can't please all of the people all of the time it seems.
 
jfm said:
I had another look over it Rafiki at LIBS with the MD of Pearl. Lovely boat in very many respects. He said 29knots with a clean bum, and no stabiliser drag becuase it has 2 gyros. This is marginal for me: I'd prefer fins which would mean 27.5 knots, and while I don't want to travel at that speed I do believe there is a psychological benefit on long cruises if the engines are running at low rpm. In a 33 knot boat the engines tend to be doing say 1700rpm in the cruise, and if they are doing (say) 2100rpm it might compromise "ride quality" so to speak. But there again the engines on that Pearl are far back so they're very quiet when you are located in the usual zones of the boat underway, so it could be fine. Anyway, 1250hp is the limit with those pods becuase there are no higher horsepower engines on the market that don't have too much torque for the pods. The boat has very nice accommodation, and the possiblity of a flybridge staircase port side, taking out the port-most kitchen unit. It ticks very many boxes
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Ian seems a really decent bloke to do business with. We have done a little bit of testing for him in the past.

Did you find out where the boats are being kitted out in Portsmouth?

Did you like the Kelly Hoppen scatter cushions? SWMBO is a big fan :D
 
jfm said:
Henry I'd be very interested to read your review of the prin 52 (and 82 if poss), because you have many hours experience of the prin 50. And I like reading your reviews :)

I'm sceptical of the aft galley too. That said however, many builders are now going this route. Ferretti, for example. A colleague here in the office has bought a new Squadron 50 and takes delivery at Easter, and he bought it as a swap for Phantom 48 particularly because he thought the aft galley was a good idea. The builders can't please all of the people all of the time it seems.
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I'll let you know after Saturday. Whilst I will have a prod around the 82 I can't promise my opinion will count for much not being used to that size of boat. As you say the 52 will be more familiar to me.

Really looking forward to going.

Henry :)
 
i was torn between the princess V62 S and the new fairline targa 62 gran turismo.
i went for the princess due to the cassical lower galley+dinette layout.

ist a good place for the Crew to retreat to on day Cruises.
 
intouch1 said:
i was torn between the princess V62 S and the new fairline targa 62 gran turismo.
i went for the princess due to the cassical lower galley+dinette layout.

ist a good place for the Crew to retreat to on day Cruises.
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Bit of thread drift I know, sorry - but how's your V62-S build going? Got a delivery date yet?

How have you found the V56?

Cheers
Jimmy
 
jimmy_the_builder said:
Bit of thread drift I know, sorry - but how's your V62-S build going? Got a delivery date yet?

How have you found the V56?

Cheers
Jimmy
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the build is going great. MAy/June delivery. i am very happy with my current V56. perfect boat (open Cockpit) for the red sea climate. i mainly upgraded to the V62 for travelling by boat purposes. spent some time on a friends SS Manhattan 62 in Bodrum-Turkey and am planning to take delivery there.

that is the only reason i actually require an enclosed Salon.

the other reason is that the V62 will provide a much better ride on the windier days. we often have a force 6-7 wind here and when sailing up North it does get bumpy on the V56 (which is a V53 hull with longer hydraulic platform)
 
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