SaltIre
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Perhaps I misinterpreted your earlier post.
Lockdown sailing
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NotBirdseye
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hah. Lots of that going around but we're all sailors here. No that's not an excuse to throw a fender at me!
Triassic
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There are always gong to be local variations in data and experiences compared to those conducted on a national, or even international level so I think there is weight to several of the arguments on here.
My wife is a local GP and she was discussing the current situation on the phone with a colleague yesterday who is based in another town only 50 miles away. Both towns have similar demographics but if you had been listening to them (I was) you would think they were on different planets as far as the impact Covid-19 has had on their patients. Where one is speaking to patients every day who are displaying symptoms the other has hardly had a single incidence. I believe it is the case that some towns are experiencing far higher rates of infection than others so this does rather help to highlight the importance of not travelling unnecessarily.
My wife is a local GP and she was discussing the current situation on the phone with a colleague yesterday who is based in another town only 50 miles away. Both towns have similar demographics but if you had been listening to them (I was) you would think they were on different planets as far as the impact Covid-19 has had on their patients. Where one is speaking to patients every day who are displaying symptoms the other has hardly had a single incidence. I believe it is the case that some towns are experiencing far higher rates of infection than others so this does rather help to highlight the importance of not travelling unnecessarily.
newtothis
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That's the beauty of the scientific method. I don't have to 'believe' anything, whether its from a relative, bloke down the pub or bloke on the internet, but instead let the best evidence build up to a coherent consensus.you can believe whatever you like .
cherod
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ok , no prob
, nothing anecdotal ,, 50 persons ( aprox , there is actually more , but without checking everyone individually and counting them ) , out of that number all have been either self isolating or sent home ( from medical based work ) on medical grounds because of " symptoms " , less than 10 were allotted , or permitted , tests . all tested were pos , nothing anecdotal about it . , unless of course you want to be insulting and call them all liars which does not do your credability much good.cherod
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which scientific method is that , there are many and change daily ,, seems you might be happier listening to your drinking buddies
JumbleDuck
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As the person who raised the matter, I just wanted to say that there seems to have been a push to get the older population fully covered in Germany, or at least in Baden-Württemberg, where my gang hang out. It seems to be covid-19 related, but perhaps indirectly.
sailaboutvic
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Well there some good news,
parts of Europe have started to lift some restrictions and if it keeps dropping here in Italy more restrictions could be lifted on the next review dated on the 3rd May .
Hope here is if they lift the restrictions on travel within the country we be able to sail again within Italy ,
that will please and take a lot of stress from cruisers as many will have to start paying mid season rates in May for our size any thing from €550 to € 800 PM depending which marina and where you are in Italy .
Maybe the UK will follow although I think your a few weeks behind most of Europe .
Of course this will only happen if it doesn't all flare up again .
parts of Europe have started to lift some restrictions and if it keeps dropping here in Italy more restrictions could be lifted on the next review dated on the 3rd May .
Hope here is if they lift the restrictions on travel within the country we be able to sail again within Italy ,
that will please and take a lot of stress from cruisers as many will have to start paying mid season rates in May for our size any thing from €550 to € 800 PM depending which marina and where you are in Italy .
Maybe the UK will follow although I think your a few weeks behind most of Europe .
Of course this will only happen if it doesn't all flare up again .
SaltIre
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It certainly makes sense to reduce hospital admissions as much as possible. Whether it is worth risking contracting COVID-19 by going into a GP surgery to get immunised against Strep Pneumoniae is debatable! I'm due a routine review with my Cardiologist and I'm very happy that it has been cancelled - or postponed. The letter did say that if the condition I am attending the clinic for is deteriorating I could phone and asked to be seen.
SaltIre
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I think we are relatively safe in Scuttlebutt. Here's a snippet from a post I've just seen in the MoBo forum!
NotBirdseye
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ok , no prob
Anecdotal evidence definition and meaning | Collins English Dictionary
adjective
Anecdotal evidence is based on individual accounts, rather than on reliable research or statistics, and so may not be valid.
Just so we're clear on what I mean by anecdotal. This does not mean anyone is a liar, it means proper research and statistical methodologies have not been carried out.
The scientific method is defined as thus:
scientific method | Definition, Steps, & Application
but in short:
Definition of scientific method | Dictionary.com
a method of research in which a problem is identified, relevant data are gathered, a hypothesis is formulated from these data, and the hypothesis is empirically tested.
In essence... if I ask you what's your statistical significance and you have no clue what I'm talking about you can probably be safe in assuming that your evidence cannot be generalized.
JumbleDuck
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A week after he had had the jag, my uncle's GP surgery rang up to say that they were terribly sorry but the doctor had tested positive for COVID-19 and would my uncle mind staying indoors for two weeks ...
newtothis
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I said the, not a, scientific method. If that term is alien to you, you really have no place discussing this topic.
dom
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Could you post a link to support that please? Thanks.
I'm interested in how immunisation against one organism could prevent infection with another.
Complex area but here's some links:
Effect of pneumococcal vaccination in hospitalized adults with community-acquired pneumonia. - PubMed - NCBI
Protective effect of pneumococcal vaccine against death by pneumonia in elderly subjects
Prior pneumococcal vaccination is associated with reduced death, complications, and length of stay among hospitalized adults with community-acquire... - PubMed - NCBI
Impact of the pneumococcal vaccine on long-term morbidity and mortality of adults at high risk for pneumonia. - PubMed - NCBI
mjcoon
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I think you are confusing the method, which is eternal, and the result, which adapts...
Mike.
AntarcticPilot
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And it is suggestive that I got it about a week after an out-patient appointment at our local hospital. But, coincidence doesn't imply causation!
newtothis
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It does if you're a conspiracy theorist.
dom
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cherod
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i am just wondering if you have any experience at all of it , you seem to be more content arguing pedantics , which you might not be if you had actually been involved in any way and had any real knowledge .
NotBirdseye
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Some of us have more experience than others. Unfortunately contracting, dying from or someone else close to dying from does not make someone an expert in epidemiology or somehow make them a better source of evidence than proper rigorous research. Hopefully it would sharpen someone's caution, inspire to learn perhaps but using that individual's personal viewpoint of anecdotal evidence as something to apply to everyone is not just risky it's flat out dangerous.
