Lobster Pots !!

[onesea]

I take it you dont meen trolling as in fishing gear.
How ever much you dont like the answer its allways going to be the same.....maybe you should swop the boat for a camper van.... where you'll be more suited to your environment

Your right I did not mean with fishing gear, your ignoring of my one question shows the trolling you are doing.
Then with these views after 40 years maybe you really believe what your saying

Some of the views here are trully shocking! There was a time when the sea was a community of people helping each other. < Snip>.........
The fisherman have to shoot the pots where the catch lives, you don't have to sail there.

Shocking? hmm not so certain of that? The sea has always had long rivalry's and will it continue fishermen, merchant men, fighting ships yachts and so on. The sad thing will be the day that people who go to sea and will not help each other in times of need...

you do not have to sail there? If you are not prepared to sail through pots buoys/ fishing gear there is not allot of places in the world you could sail.

Take the Solent last time I watched a fisherman lay his pots in the middle of Hurst Narrows, usual small Buoy etc. They tend to like to lay them at the end of the North channel around North head buoy out by the Needles too, so I guess all those boats should not of sailed round the Island the other day???

 

[cryan]

By QHM I presume you are meaning the Queens Harbour Master in Pompey? If the fisherman shoots pots against the directorate of the QHM he should be asked to lift and move them. What you are suggesting is vigilantism. You should consult your local police office and ask them what they think of that. I think you are entering the realms of ridiculousness by likening crab fisherman to drug dealers. There is a huge difference between wrongly marking a string of creels within a certain locality and selling drugs to kids! I mean it is more of a criminal offence to do 71 mph on the motorway than to mis-mark a string of creels. Have you ever driven at 71mph? Would you consider it an appropriate punishment to have the wheels cut off your car to stop you doing it again? Quite frankly the way the Navy is going the QHM should probably cosy up to the fisherman as no one else will be left to defend our shores should the need arise.
I just think that he without sin should cast the first stone (or creel in this case) Can you honestly say that you always sail in full accordance with every rule and regulation? If you do then you'll be the only person afloat on earth who can.

 

[cryan]

Shocking? hmm not so certain of that? The sea has always had long rivalry's and will it continue fishermen, merchant men, fighting ships yachts and so on. The sad thing will be the day that people who go to sea and will not help each other in times of need...

I have never known a rivalry between Merchant Seamen and Fishermen, in fact they are often one and the same. The Grey funnel line is not so much a rivalry as that they are incompetent fair weather sailors. We generally just pity them.

 

[onesea]

I have never known a rivalry between Merchant Seamen and Fishermen, in fact they are often one and the same. The Grey funnel line is not so much a rivalry as that they are incompetent fair weather sailors. We generally just pity them.

So you have never heard a merchant man complain about the nets of such and such port or the ones that fish in TSS? In the same way as they complain about WAFI's and vice versa. Maybe rivalry is not the right word, what ever you want to call it it still exists..

 

[cryan]

So you have never heard a merchant man complain about the nets of such and such port or the ones that fish in TSS? In the same way as they complain about WAFTI's and vice versa. Maybe rivalry is not the right word, what ever you want to call it it still exists..

I don't know what a WAFTI is but I was once on the bridge of a cruise ship going through the channel between Denmark and Sweden through the middle of a big fishing fleet. I commented about them being a bit close but the mate shrugged and said, "They'll get out the way." They all did. When I was on offshore boats we used to get tasked to chase fishermen away from the rigs sometimes but there was no ill feeling. One of the best collaborations I witnessed was on a cable ship in California. Due to a initiative from the Californian State Gov we took on a couple of local fisherman before we laid shore ends of cable onto the beach. Their job was to spot any fishing gear and call up their buddies to retrieve it before it got damaged. We noted to one of them that there did not seem to be any fishing gear about, after checking the state official was not listening he turned and said to us, "That's because we're all working on cable ships!"

 

[prv]

If the fisherman shoots pots against the directorate of the QHM he should be asked to lift and move them.

How?

Pete

 

[grumpy_o_g]

I've been a seaman for nearly 40 years. Keep a better lookout!

I know a lady who has been driving for over 50 years. She's a lovely lady but she has trouble spotting artic' lorries, never mind a small plastic bottle at night when it's raining. Can I recommend you try the Portland inshore passage at night or in poor vis when the tides started running? Not with me on the boat though please as the markers usually get pulled underwater and are completely invisible.

 

[grumpy_o_g]

There is already appropriate legislation in place in the solent. This does not stop he most irresponsible of these potters. If the legislation is to be enforced, we as skippers need to report the offence, and the authorities need to enforce it. However, unless you catch the potters red handed, how do you prove that they are responsible.

I blame the GPS for this problem. Today's potters set in the coordinates of their pots and go directly to it. Thus the pot buoy becomes very small and almost hidden. In the old days, the Decca got them to within visual range (sometimes) and decent flags were needed to locate the buoy.

Maybe putting GPS jammers on unmarked pots is the answer then...

 

[Babylon]

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The answer is obvious - get a long keeler with the rudder mounted on the back the keel plus a folding prop. Then you can sail or motor over lines, pots etc. with impunity.

You're absolutely right: the real problem is that most people have totally the wrong sort of boat - and too few realise the usefulness of fitting rope-cutters on the prop-shaft.

Besides which, I don't understand why folk get so hot under the collar about fishermen. Are they pederasts? Muslim fanatics? Benefit-scroungers? Welsh nationalists?

Never mind the regulations (and ignore Dylan's bizarre vegetarianism): get yerselves proper boats!!

 

[macd]

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The answer is obvious - get a long keeler with the rudder mounted on the back the keel plus a folding prop. Then you can sail or motor over lines, pots etc. with impunity.

Plus you have the advantage that you couldn't hit a pot marker in reverse -- even if you wanted to.

 

[HinewaisMan]

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The answer is obvious - get a long keeler with the rudder mounted on the back the keel plus a folding prop. Then you can sail or motor over lines, pots etc. with impunity.

+1

Plus you have the advantage that you couldn't hit a pot marker in reverse -- even if you wanted to.

+1

 

[Tranona]

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The answer is obvious - get a long keeler with the rudder mounted on the back the keel plus a folding prop. Then you can sail or motor over lines, pots etc. with impunity.

<smug mode>simples!</smug mode>

- W

Far too simplistic. Although the risk may be less, I can tell you from bitter experience that when you do catch debris the consequences can be far worse. Only a fool would "sail or motor over lines pots etc with impunity" - even with a long keel.

 

[Tranona]

Some of the views here are trully shocking!

The fisherman have to shoot the pots where the catch lives, you don't have to sail there.

So, are you saying that sailors have no rights to sail where fisherman want to lay their pots?

Just read the numerous posts here describing the poor practices of fishermen, including breaking the law.

Your pontification is indeed "truly shocking".

 

[Giblets]

If the fisherman shoots pots against the directorate of the QHM he should be asked to lift and move them.

As most pot markers in the eastern Solent have no identification as to the name of the laying vessel (as required by QHM's General Direction No: 4/11) then one wonders how the owners would be asked to lift & move them!!

 

[webcraft]

Far too simplistic. Although the risk may be less, I can tell you from bitter experience that when you do catch debris the consequences can be far worse. Only a fool would "sail or motor over lines pots etc with impunity" - even with a long keel.

I said long keel, keel-mounted rudder and folding prop. And obviously I don't sail or motor over lines deliberately. However, I could and have confidently motored down the Portuguese coast at night, something I would be very nervous about doing in a fin and skeg boat - or even worse, one with a spade rudder.

I'm not suggesting you should change your boat, just feeling smug that there is at least one thing my little MAB does better than most.

- W

 

[jac]

As most pot markers in the eastern Solent have no identification as to the name of the laying vessel (as required by QHM's General Direction No: 4/11) then one wonders how the owners would be asked to lift & move them!!

Hence my question about how legal would it be for someone to remove it to save QHM the trouble.

I think cryan and PRR are are alone here if they believe that all fishermen are perfect

 

[webcraft]

So, are you saying that sailors have no rights to sail where fisherman want to lay their pots?

Just read the numerous posts here describing the poor practices of fishermen, including breaking the law.

Your pontification is indeed "truly shocking".

Up here there is no aggro between fishermen and yachties. We recognise they have a living to make, and by and large they mark their creels properly.

I suggest that instead of whinging on a yachting forum and alienating fishermen you canvas the support of other commercial water users in your area - this issue must affect them as we'll if it is as bad as you say.

- W

 

[Tranona]

I said long keel, keel-mounted rudder and folding prop. And obviously I don't sail or motor over lines deliberately. However, I could and have confidently motored down the Portuguese coast at night, something I would be very nervous about doing in a fin and skeg boat - or even worse, one with a spade rudder.

I'm not suggesting you should change your boat, just feeling smug that there is at least one thing my little MAB does better than most.

- W

Well, I can assure you that you will not feel smug when you do catch something in your aperture and you lose not only your motive power, but steering and end up tethered to the seabed.

And, yes it has happened.

 

[Tranona]

Up here there is no aggro between fishermen and yachties. We recognise they have a living to make, and by and large they mark their creels properly.

I suggest that instead of whinging on a yachting forum and alienating fishermen you canvas the support of other commercial water users in your area - this issue must affect them as we'll if it is as bad as you say.

- W

The problem is well known, endlessly discussed, reported upon (see the CHIRPS reports) - but still exists. There was a survey done recently on the location of reports of poorly marked or fouled pots buoys which clearly showed the high densities in the areas that many have mentioned here. Simple facts. Lots of pots laid in channels or off headlands, plus lots of yachts sailing - guess where - in channels and around headlands.

You are "lucky" in living in a sparsely populated area where there is less conflict between different users of the sea.

Just don't try to translate that situation to ours. Come down here and have a look for yourself and then perhaps you will appreciate why it is an issue.

 

[Giblets]

Hence my question about how legal would it be for someone to remove it to save QHM the trouble.

Only QHM is legally entitled to remove the offending pots. Anyone else "helping out" would be guilty of theft and/or criminal damage.