Lifting dinghy on board using a spare halyard.

[RupertW]

Lifting any dinghy using the spiny halyard or main halyard either in flayed or deflated using a powered winch is a doodle. If the Op doesn’t have a powered winch then you might in invested in a Millie power handle or such like . If inflated just winch upright on to foredeck and swing around to where required to deflated. Extract all air using battery deflator and once in bag lift up by winch and lower into stern lazarette locker.

It should be

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Insults are NOT observations and are of NO interest to others in the general discussion.

This just show you lack of respect for others

You would not like personal attacks on you character would you.

Stick to the subject of the post and not attack others its unbecoming behavior.

Pongyard is the rude one here. Asks a reasonable question then sarcastically jumps down anyone’s throat if they talk around it or don’t answer it exactly the way he thinks. He comes across as very unpleasant and not worth answering in case your input is not to his exactly liking.

 

[johnalison]

The question I asked was clear, simple and unambiguous. There was no need for anyone to know any more information than that given.

That is the trouble with this forum, sometimes. It's like asking directions to somewhere and being asked why you want to go there.

In fact it's worse than that, you'll be told you have no right going there!

The trouble with written language is that what appeared to be clear and unambiguous to you didn't necessarily come across that way when read. Because I am especially perceptive (cough), I could see that there must have been a reason for your request, but this doesn't mean that everyone read it in the same way. I saw the response as something of a tease, or at least an example of willy-waving rather than an attempt to upset you, which we all regret.

 

[Poignard]

I am going to start lifting my inflatable 2.3m dinghy onto the coachroof using a spare halyard attached to a bridle which will be attached to the painter eye and to one or more folding padeyes bolted to the plywood transom.

Question:

Which would be better: a single padeye in the centre of the transom with a 2-legged bridle, or two padeyes on the transom and a 3-legged bridle?

Sorry, I should have made it clear that the dinghy will be deflated and stowed in its valise on top of the coachroof.

The yacht is 8.6m LOA so there is no room to carry an inflated dinghy even if I wished to.

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For the life of me I cannot see why I needed to give any more information than the above.

Please note the opening words of my first post "I am going to ...".

Not "I am thinking of...", "Would it be a good idea to...", "Ought I to... ", "Should I..." but simply "I am going to..." .

A clear and unambiguous statement of fact.

 

[Catalina36]

Gosh you seem a very fussy and irritable person.

I regularly joust with him on current affairs. Take it from me, you're being very charitable. He's a nitpicking plonker.

 

[Poignard]

I regularly joust with him on current affairs. Take it from me, you're being very charitable. He's a nitpicking plonker.

"joust"?

And a very impressive knight errant you make:

 

[pvb]

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Insults are NOT observations and are of NO interest to others in the general discussion.

This just show you lack of respect for others

You would not like personal attacks on you character would you.

Stick to the subject of the post and not attack others its unbecoming behavior.

 

[PaulRainbow]

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You mean like posts 10. 12, 15, 24, 27 etc ?

 

[Spirit (of Glenans)]

This is becoming ... err.......wearisome!

 

[rogerthebodger]

This is becoming ... err.......wearisome!

I wholehearted agree we need to address the issues as posted without attaching each other.

It becomes a he said she said and who ever started the derogatory comment is in the wrong but a response is pointed out at the initial offensive comment where it is really only a defensive comment.

Its all about egos and arrogance which should have no place on a Practical Boat owner forum which is a technical forum.

If anyone wishes to slag anyone off it should be limited to the lounge which is not a public forum.

I know I an going to be blamed as usual so be it and if I get put on shore leave, now the lockdown has been relaxed I can go sailing or just messing about on my boats.

 

[rogerthebodger]

You mean like posts 10. 12, 15, 24, 27 etc ?

Pau to many to count but you missed post #46

 

[RupertW]

I wholehearted agree we need to address the issues as posted without attaching each other.

It becomes a he said she said and who ever started the derogatory comment is in the wrong but a response is pointed out at the initial offensive comment where it is really only a defensive comment.

Its all about egos and arrogance which should have no place on a Practical Boat owner forum which is a technical forum.

If anyone wishes to slag anyone off it should be limited to the lounge which is not a public forum.

I know I an going to be blamed as usual so be it and if I get put on shore leave, now the lockdown has been relaxed I can go sailing or just messing about on my boats.

So you agree with PaulRainbows post then.

 

[rogerthebodger]

So you agree with PaulRainbows post then.

I have not looked at the posts that Paul referred to so I cannot really comment except to the one I referred to

Its Spirit (of Glenans) post I agree with but no view either way on Paul's post

 

[pandos]

This is becoming ... err.......wearisome!

I agree...

I also agree that people are being attacked/criticised on this forum having asked a question or having made a constructive contribution to a thread.

In recent days I have looked at many old posts on this forum and the style of contribution then, was markedly different and altogether more respectful then many recent threads.

 

[oldmanofthehills]

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For the life of me I cannot see why I needed to give any more information than the above.

Please note the opening words of my first post "I am going to ...".

Not "I am thinking of...", "Would it be a good idea to...", "Ought I to... ", "Should I..." but simply "I am going to..." .

A clear and unambiguous statement of fact.

Dear Poignard, though you have every right to privacy, context is all when you ask a question. Just saying.

Others - no rudeness please. Behave like gentlemen, or ladies whatever!

At a mere 70 and being still robust I can get my inflatable on board. I lift outboard on separately if using hard tender or inflatable and dread the day when that is beyond me. A mere halliard will drag everything into the stanchions and netting so traditional approach is using the boom. Which is great on a great big boat boat but gives inadequate clearance at cockpit end on smaller boat and wont swing round to bows where many small boats keep the tender.

Short of a separate lifting boom I cant see an engineering elegant solution. New inflatables however are much lighter and I saw one weighing about 17kg, which is under 40lb. Likewise get lightest possible outboard if thats needed.

If you find a solution please share as one day many of us will need it. All the best

 

[RupertW]

I have not looked at the posts that Paul referred to so I cannot really comment except to the one I referred to

Its Spirit (of Glenans) post I agree with but no view either way on Paul's post

Oh dear. So commenting without checking. That really is blindly defending the indefensible. One day you will work out that if you defend rude posts and posters they will keep posting. Have a look and then decide.

 

[rogerthebodger]

Short of a separate lifting boom I cant see an engineering elegant solution. New inflatables however are much lighter and I saw one weighing about 17kg, which is under 40lb. Likewise get lightest possible outboard if thats needed.

If you find a solution please share as one day many of us will need it. All the best

I use my spinnaker pole on the from of my mast which helps SWMBO or myself lift the dinghy inboard.

A separate pole could also be hinged to the side of the mast if so need be.

I'm currently 73 but still try to find easy ways to lift things onto my boat so I could be lifted on board by SWMBO if need be.

 

[rogerthebodger]

Oh dear. So commenting without checking. That really is blindly defending the indefensible. One day you will work out that if you defend rude posts and posters they will keep posting. Have a look and then decide.

I agree...

I also agree that people are being attacked/criticised on this forum having asked a question or having made a constructive contribution to a thread.

In recent days I have looked at many old posts on this forum and the style of contribution then, was markedly different and altogether more respectful then many recent threads.

I'm not defending anyone's posts that Paul referred to. Only posts I have read and agree with.

I an sorry as others have said these pandos above and others are in my view is destroying the forum and needs to top.

As I keep saying all I try to do is to answer the OP's question in a constructive way and only reply to posts I consider attacking/criticising the reply in a destructive way or with sarcasm in an attempt to discredit the suggested way to try to bolster their way.

Lets just post our replies and let the OP decide, but some people just cannot accept there are others solutions than theirs.

 

[GHA]

Short of a separate lifting boom I cant see an engineering elegant solution. New inflatables however are much lighter and I saw one weighing about 17kg, which is under 40lb. Likewise get lightest possible outboard if thats needed.

If you find a solution please share as one day many of us will need it. All the best

See post #21. With a few soft shackles and a little time a pole can be set up to be rigged in a few moments then it's simple if you have room on deck. Really handy sorting the outboard and bits from on deck while the dinghy is at waist height, same retrieving.

 

[ashtead]

If all this talk of lifting by halyards is becoming rather dull maybe some davits. At risk of thread drift has anyone got those Swedish davits he fitted on Sailing Ran as a visitor mentioned them to me and I would like to see one in real life and hear from users. It might also address the stresses suffered by hauling on board which some seem to have .

 

[oldmanofthehills]

See post #21. With a few soft shackles and a little time a pole can be set up to be rigged in a few moments then it's simple if you have room on deck. Really handy sorting the outboard and bits from on deck while the dinghy is at waist height, same retrieving.

Its the room on deck bit thats an issue on smaller boats, as tenders dont scale down to match. Poignard has a 8.6m I think and I have a 8.3m with little room on deck. Carrying outboard from bows to stern is a struggle and carrying a deflated dinghy a real challenge.

I can see the spinaker pole gives a lifting boom, and might have to investigate how to rig it above the cockpit