hlb
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And they have a load of seats with special headrests and straps to hold you in. I dont have nowt like that. They also have special things for when they turn up side down. My boat dont turn upside down!!!
Lifeboat Hulls
- Thread starter Gludy
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Wiggo
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Oh, don't you dare tell Gludy that SD boats can capsize!
Gludy
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You lot are incredible - planing along at 27 knots in an f8 was it? Not even a rough ride ... all nice and peaceful.
Then having developed a totally new ways of managing lifeboats and killing of the inshore rescue crews - you try to counter my precise but simple questions with a barrage of hot air!
Well with you lot around noone need worry about red diesel, there is enough hot air to power all the south coast boats.
Incredible .......
Then having developed a totally new ways of managing lifeboats and killing of the inshore rescue crews - you try to counter my precise but simple questions with a barrage of hot air!
Well with you lot around noone need worry about red diesel, there is enough hot air to power all the south coast boats.
Incredible .......
hlb
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Well the thing is. You dont seem to understand, that life boats dont sink cos there built like brick [censored] houses. There like submarins with no way that water can get in. So they float, a bit like a cork. But there heavy cos of this and all the crap they carry. Use hugh amounts of fuel and are quite slow. But then they have to bouce off rocks and things. Made of steel, thick as a welsh man!!. Where as a planing boat is light, fast, but not designed to run aground, or into welsh men of /forums/images/graemlins/shocked.gif /forums/images/graemlins/smirk.gif /forums/images/graemlins/grin.giften!!!
ShipsWoofy
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The boat I was on was Aluminium, a Mersey. When you shut the sea doors you really are closed in. None of those namby sliding glass partitions.
Other than the boat, a lot of people seem to miss the vital ingredient, the crew, you are at sea with 6 or 7 people you train with weekly, who know the drill, who will look after you and vica versa.
Oh God, the kettle, on a short time shout it hardly has time to boil and our mechanic made the worst tea known to man...
We were carriage launched too, it could be hairy when the boat is bouncing in the surf while still chained to the carriage. I miss it, I would do it again in a shot if my health was up to it, ah well.
Other than the boat, a lot of people seem to miss the vital ingredient, the crew, you are at sea with 6 or 7 people you train with weekly, who know the drill, who will look after you and vica versa.
Oh God, the kettle, on a short time shout it hardly has time to boil and our mechanic made the worst tea known to man...
We were carriage launched too, it could be hairy when the boat is bouncing in the surf while still chained to the carriage. I miss it, I would do it again in a shot if my health was up to it, ah well.
BarryH
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I've been told that the crew makes no difference whot so ever. But then what do I know so I bow to superior knowledge.
steverow
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Brendan,
It justs shows how different a force 10 is in the Bristol Channel to the Solent.
Maybe the beaufort scale is calibrated differently in the Southampton area??
In Swansea in a force 10 we have 90mph+ winds being recorded at the coastguard on Mumbles Head, we have Large 8000 GT Freighters dragging their anchors and in peril of grounding, we have 30ft+ waves...anyone who is out in this in any leisure vessel, whatever the hull shape or size is just tired of living.
A deep keeled sailing boat *may just* and only just, survive with all the sails in and a huge drogue out. A motor cruiser will most certainly not survive, unless its just pure unadulterated luck. Everything you've ever learnt or try to do to remedy the situation just goes out of the window in those conditions.
And as for enjoying a comfortable trip in a force 10/11, you would be too busy praying and trying to remove the brown stuff from your pants to enjoy anything other than just being alive.
It would be absolute lunacy round here.
I do wish people wouldnt trivialise sea conditions, that's the way to an early grave.
Boating may be a hobby to us, but the sea doesnt give us any special treatment because of it.
Steve.
It justs shows how different a force 10 is in the Bristol Channel to the Solent.
Maybe the beaufort scale is calibrated differently in the Southampton area??
In Swansea in a force 10 we have 90mph+ winds being recorded at the coastguard on Mumbles Head, we have Large 8000 GT Freighters dragging their anchors and in peril of grounding, we have 30ft+ waves...anyone who is out in this in any leisure vessel, whatever the hull shape or size is just tired of living.
A deep keeled sailing boat *may just* and only just, survive with all the sails in and a huge drogue out. A motor cruiser will most certainly not survive, unless its just pure unadulterated luck. Everything you've ever learnt or try to do to remedy the situation just goes out of the window in those conditions.
And as for enjoying a comfortable trip in a force 10/11, you would be too busy praying and trying to remove the brown stuff from your pants to enjoy anything other than just being alive.
It would be absolute lunacy round here.
I do wish people wouldnt trivialise sea conditions, that's the way to an early grave.
Boating may be a hobby to us, but the sea doesnt give us any special treatment because of it.
Steve.
ShipsWoofy
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Well said, the shelter from the Isle of Wight does make a fabulous all weather playground. Near gale and above around the North West / Wales coast is not a place to play.
Gludy
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HLB
Not only that according to you the ribs are something fantastic that go where even those lifeboats dare not venture!!!!
Not only that according to you the ribs are something fantastic that go where even those lifeboats dare not venture!!!!
Gludy
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Barry - i do not know who told you that - it was not me.
However they are not of any importance when discussing hull shapes.
However they are not of any importance when discussing hull shapes.
ShipsWoofy
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It makes no difference to the boat as such, but it is the one of the reasons you feel safe. Imagine the scenario.
An example.
Gludy provides his new boat, you can hand pick your crew from the people here on the forum. You train weekly for say 4 months. Now imagine how much more secure you would feel setting to sea in atrocious conditions.
It is far different to a run round with your missus or a few mates, these people know their stuff and know their roles...Does that help?
An example.
Gludy provides his new boat, you can hand pick your crew from the people here on the forum. You train weekly for say 4 months. Now imagine how much more secure you would feel setting to sea in atrocious conditions.
It is far different to a run round with your missus or a few mates, these people know their stuff and know their roles...Does that help?
Gludy
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I am also begining to accept that some f10 winds around here are self generated rather than actually formed by climatic conditions.
Gludy
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I have no dispute with your point about training or the fact that at sea the helmsman skill is very important. I simply point out that it is not a factor when discussing hull shapes.
No matter how well the RNLI train their crews they still go to sea in the best boat they can afford and that is not a planing boat except for small quick inshore rescue rib worj and they do not venture out in f10's.
No matter how well the RNLI train their crews they still go to sea in the best boat they can afford and that is not a planing boat except for small quick inshore rescue rib worj and they do not venture out in f10's.
BarryH
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I'll openly admit that I'm being a little bit pedantic. And for the record Gludy said "I really do not think that the skill of the helsman is a factor" in one of his posts in the thread SD v's Planning v's Displacement.
ShipsWoofy
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You also have to add versatility. The boats must have shoal drafts especially the carriage and slipway launched vessels, such as the Mersey and Tyne. To enable drying out the props are set into tunnels. I don't know if you could use tunnels on a deep V, I suspect not as the props would not be deep enough in the water.
I could be wrong, a designer I am not.
Also, once a lifeboat is on scene everything slows down, you do not search on the plane, nor tow. You need stability if coming alongside.
Could you tow a boat in a gale at say 4 kts with a planing hull?
It is all compromise, no?
I could be wrong, a designer I am not.
Also, once a lifeboat is on scene everything slows down, you do not search on the plane, nor tow. You need stability if coming alongside.
Could you tow a boat in a gale at say 4 kts with a planing hull?
It is all compromise, no?
Nauti Fox
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Re: Unsafe fruit bowl
Not got a SOLAS approved fruit bowl then?
Dear,dear me.
Surely any prudent seafarer should'nt be so rash as to set off risking the terror of a runaway fruit.
We use one that is "A" rated to storm force 10 and is certified for European and exotic fruits.
If you need any information on a proper Fruit Retention System I will be happy to help, before you get in serious trouble!
Not got a SOLAS approved fruit bowl then?
Dear,dear me.
Surely any prudent seafarer should'nt be so rash as to set off risking the terror of a runaway fruit.
We use one that is "A" rated to storm force 10 and is certified for European and exotic fruits.
If you need any information on a proper Fruit Retention System I will be happy to help, before you get in serious trouble!
Blackfeather
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Re: Unsafe fruit bowl
I've got some offshore banana flares but they are going brown - is it still safe to use them?
I've got some offshore banana flares but they are going brown - is it still safe to use them?
Nauti Fox
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Re: Unsafe fruit bowl
No, they are definately a fashion mistake.
No, they are definately a fashion mistake.
Gludy
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No you are being grossly biased because in the same post I explained that we are comparing hulls assuming the same standard of good helming. So you are choosing to take the discussion away from topic (ie hull form) and ensure it can get nowhere.
Gludy
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Yes its compromise but my whole point is that the compromise chosen does not include a planing hull nor would they ever consider one because it simply does not have enough sea keeping qualities.
