Life of s/s anchor chain

1 reported failure in the 17 years this thread has been running, with many anchor hours in stainless chain in that period, suggests no one needs to worry about it, everything else being equal.
Everything I read about Cromox seems to be complimentary. Some people have used it for years without really carrying out any maintenance other than occasionally washing it. Most galvanising lasts around three years if used frequently in warm climates.
 
1 reported failure in the 17 years this thread has been running, with many anchor hours in stainless chain in that period, suggests no one needs to worry about it, everything else being equal.
Given chain failure of any kind is so rare it would be useful if the poster provided more information about thye failure.
 
10m of an unknown supplier of an unknown quality of chain in, say, 100m of mixed rode makes the stainless the weak link (as the textile is probably of local origin). The stainless is a small part but is the weakest link.

There is a quality and reliable source of G60 Duplex stainless, in Kitten Waelder. Maybe explain why, if you feel the need to Molly coddle your 10m length of nefarious SS chain, explain the logic behind why you did not go to the known and acknowledged reliable source - its only 10m.

You presumably insure Chiara, its a source of pleasure to you - but you risk it all in using a cheap bit of chain.

I question the executive thinking.

Jonathan
I don't see how you can say the ss chain is the weakest link. There has been no mention of chain size or sizer of boat. It is most likely that the 10m of chain is over rated in strength compared to the rope, anchor itself or deck fixing. specially considering anchoring is in itself an unreliable attachment to the bottom. ol'will
 
I dunno. I bought it from a reputable supplier, not some manky Chinese bucket shop. 10mm ISO4565 G4 Stainless Steel Calibrated Anchor Chain - per metre
But you are sensitive to the issues. If you used galvanised chain, same size as the stainless, you could follow the same practice as you use fr the stainless, wash at end of season, hang up in your airing cupboard to dry, and it would last your lifetime. If the gal was a bit thin you would soon see the problem - the stainless weaknesses tend to be invisible (until they aren't)

There is a widespread assumption that stainless is tough (because being stainless it is surely tough) its not. If you are lucky it will not rust - but otherwise its not much different in toughness terms, to G30. I know which is cheaper. :). Unless ones chain matches the anchor and is on public display stainless is a waste of money. Gal chain used frequently, live aboard, will last 4 years (typical life time of live aboard chain on PBO and CF). Used infrequently, only in the summer maybe a few overnights - it will last for ever if you wash it and keep the chain locker sweet smelling.

For Chiara I'd be speaking to Jimmy Green and buying a new length, 10m of the next size down G70. It will save weight (and room in the locker). Swap 10mm to 8mm or 6mm for 8mm. G70 will give you similar UTS as the G30 it replaces. Fit the anchor shackle when you buy the chain - you will find one to fit (see my thread on shackles a few weeks ago).

I'm assuming you deploy and retrieve by hand - gypsies are extortionate. If you do retrieve by hand the crew will support the move to down size - the weight savings make rode retrieval a pleasure.

Jonathan
 
I don't see how you can say the ss chain is the weakest link. There has been no mention of chain size or sizer of boat. It is most likely that the 10m of chain is over rated in strength compared to the rope, anchor itself or deck fixing. specially considering anchoring is in itself an unreliable attachment to the bottom. ol'will
I would hope the rope would be at least as strong as the chain, or stronger. I also think it more likely some one would be careful of their choice of rope - there are few ways of being careful about stainless chain - except seeing a test certificate for the specific batch.

Hands up anyone who has ever even seen a chain test certificate (we trust retailers to sell product that is made to a standard - but no-one checks).

With the demise of European anchor chain makers the opportunity for nefarious shipments getting into the supply chain have increased.

Jonathan
 
But you are sensitive to the issues. If you used galvanised chain, same size as the stainless, you could follow the same practice as you use fr the stainless, wash at end of season, hang up in your airing cupboard to dry, and it would last your lifetime. If the gal was a bit thin you would soon see the problem - the stainless weaknesses tend to be invisible (until they aren't)

There is a widespread assumption that stainless is tough (because being stainless it is surely tough) its not. If you are lucky it will not rust - but otherwise its not much different in toughness terms, to G30. I know which is cheaper. :). Unless ones chain matches the anchor and is on public display stainless is a waste of money. Gal chain used frequently, live aboard, will last 4 years (typical life time of live aboard chain on PBO and CF). Used infrequently, only in the summer maybe a few overnights - it will last for ever if you wash it and keep the chain locker sweet smelling.

For Chiara I'd be speaking to Jimmy Green and buying a new length, 10m of the next size down G70. It will save weight (and room in the locker). Swap 10mm to 8mm or 6mm for 8mm. G70 will give you similar UTS as the G30 it replaces. Fit the anchor shackle when you buy the chain - you will find one to fit (see my thread on shackles a few weeks ago).

I'm assuming you deploy and retrieve by hand - gypsies are extortionate. If you do retrieve by hand the crew will support the move to down size - the weight savings make rode retrieval a pleasure.

Jonathan
It was an offcut. We’re ok with the weight, cruising. A serious race we’d just take the kedge, like other MOCRA multis. It is now 2 seasons old. I am the crew, Mrs C steers during retrieval. Not that she’s shy or weak, but ladies hands were not made for ingrained Solent mud. It is lighter than the galv it replaced, and it’s always all on the bottom. Anchorplait spliced on, wired shackle to the anchor. All of it still very shiny.
 
I'm not sure that statistically stainless chain failure is a meaning full figure. I see stainless on some MoBos but not on yachts.

JonathaN
"statistics" do not really come into it. The important thing with rare events like this is to get more information about the circumstances. The poster in ~31 gave some information but admitted to being confused. Maybe details such as boat, make and size of chain, anchor, mode of failure etc would help. 35 knots of wind is not much and certainly not enough to result in loads that would challenge sound chain.
 
10m of an unknown supplier of an unknown quality of chain in, say, 100m of mixed rode makes the stainless the weak link (as the textile is probably of local origin). The stainless is a small part but is the weakest link.

There is a quality and reliable source of G60 Duplex stainless, in Kitten Waelder. Maybe explain why, if you feel the need to Molly coddle your 10m length of nefarious SS chain, explain the logic behind why you did not go to the known and acknowledged reliable source - its only 10m.

You presumably insure Chiara, its a source of pleasure to you - but you risk it all in using a cheap bit of chain.

I question the executive thinking.

Jonathan
Jonathan, I think your fetishes are getting the better of you. When you posted your response, you knew absolutely nothing about Chiara's chain, except that it was stainless and 10mm.
Even without any further information, you label it as "from an unknown supplier" "nefarious" and "cheap".
I question your thinking.
In a later post, Chiara states that it was obtained from a reputable supplier, and even gives the grade and type of chain.
I haven't seen any retraction or apology yet from yourself.
 
Jonathan, I think your fetishes are getting the better of you. When you posted your response, you knew absolutely nothing about Chiara's chain, except that it was stainless and 10mm.
Even without any further information, you label it as "from an unknown supplier" "nefarious" and "cheap".
I question your thinking.
In a later post, Chiara states that it was obtained from a reputable supplier, and even gives the grade and type of chain.
I haven't seen any retraction or apology yet from yourself.
I’m just wondering what else he can tell about our boat, from 10 000 miles away.
 
... Unless ones chain matches the anchor and is on public display stainless is a waste of money…
What about the fact that stainless chain is far less likely to pile up under the windlass? It’s one of the major reasons people buy the stuff from what I’ve read on here and elsewhere.
 
Our stainless chain snapped last night in 35 knots wind. At midnight..I was asleep. Probably one of the most challenging situations Ive ever had to deal with. Amazingly we didn't hit any thing and no further damage. But confused as to why. It looked good, and correct rating for the boat
Interesting, thanks for the post. Can you tell us any more about the chain/context? Age of chain, grade, condition, diameter? Did you have a snubber deployed? Was the anchorage inflicting a violent snatching when it broke? Did it break near the anchor or mid chain? Any information helps to set the scene. Thanks.
 
I'm one of those people who try to provide as much information as possible, sometime repetitively. I assume other people do the same, there is little point in telling people you have stainless chain and it has been fault free, or not, if you don't give the background to the chain. Just for example read the question GEM43 asks post 53. If people don't give the detail I assume they don't have it - but its nice to think that eventually they came to the party, whatever the reason for their initial trardiness or omission.

I apologise for my tardy rely but I'm now safely berthed in Eden, bottom east corner of Oz and the jump off point for Bass Strait, and have been out of communication for a few days. I have a window of communication for the next few hours, its 9 am here and will then drop off contact for another 24 hours. Normally we get good coverage quite far offshore but heading south most would aim quite far offshore so as to take advantage of the East Australian Current which flows from the Tropics and peters out in Bass Strait. Its a glorious, early Autumn, day here, crisp and a stunning blue sky, calm seas - but light wind.

Jonathan
 
What about the fact that stainless chain is far less likely to pile up under the windlass? It’s one of the major reasons people buy the stuff from what I’ve read on here and elsewhere.
Its a hefty price to pay for self stowing chain (when most people with a problem use a stick to knock the, gal, chain towers over.

Jonathan
 
I have stainless because it doesn’t have mud stuck to it so much, and doesn’t bleed rust out of the locker drains.
Good gal chain will not rust until its about 3 - 4 years old. If its 10m long its hardly a major investment to buy new. If you have a fetish you would not use a worn mainsail - why does anyone expect a chain protected by a 70 micron gal coating to last ..... for ever?

Jonathan
 
"statistics" do not really come into it. The important thing with rare events like this is to get more information about the circumstances. The poster in ~31 gave some information but admitted to being confused. Maybe details such as boat, make and size of chain, anchor, mode of failure etc would help. 35 knots of wind is not much and certainly not enough to result in loads that would challenge sound chain.
Exactly.
 
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