Pavalijo
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Many thanks Nortada, we’ll go and do it the moment we arrive
Regards
Paul
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Paul
Life in Portugal Post Brexit, Has the World Moved For You❓
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srm
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Which will have to be supported by a recognised certificate.
srm
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This thread seems to demonstrate the great variations in the application of Portugese regulations from one place to another.
Perhaps summed up by an official who had given us a 20 day deadline for responding to some paperwork. "Don't worry, we have to put that in the letter because its the law, but we won't enforce it".
Perhaps summed up by an official who had given us a 20 day deadline for responding to some paperwork. "Don't worry, we have to put that in the letter because its the law, but we won't enforce it".
Graham376
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Technically, the language bit comes into the permanent residence application as well but it's not enforced.
nortada
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Who wants citizenship?
We can settle for permanent (10 year) residency. We will be 90+ by the time that runs out!
As to the language requirement, as happens, we have been advised that we meet any fluency requirement but at the same time we were advised that any language requirement could be linked to citizenship but would not be linked permanent residency - bit of an anticlimax.
greeny
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Don't confuse citizenship/ nationality with residence. First of all 5 years "temporary" residence, then 10 years permanent residence is almost automatic provided you have been a good boy. After that another 10yrs permanent residence. Should see me out.
No requirement for citizenship which I believe has requirements far beyond residence requirements, such as language, history knowledge etc. but it does bring a Portuguese passport. Once again confusion over terms and their definitions, not helped by the fact that even the documents issued in Portugal sometimes seem to mix them up. Speak to two different departments and you'll probably get two different definitions.
I have recently obtained my 10 yr Permanent residence but it is not citizenship or nationality according to SEF.
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sorry wrote this whilst others were writing as well.
No requirement for citizenship which I believe has requirements far beyond residence requirements, such as language, history knowledge etc. but it does bring a Portuguese passport. Once again confusion over terms and their definitions, not helped by the fact that even the documents issued in Portugal sometimes seem to mix them up. Speak to two different departments and you'll probably get two different definitions.
I have recently obtained my 10 yr Permanent residence but it is not citizenship or nationality according to SEF.
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sorry wrote this whilst others were writing as well.
25931
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srm
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Someone who appreciates freedom of movement within the EU/Schengen Zone without time restrictions.
nortada
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Hope residency will permit free movement.
srm
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"Hope springs eternal" Alexander Pope, 1732
25931
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nortada
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Possibly, I should qualify this by saying, " I hope my Portuguese Residency will permit free movement throughout the EU. In other words, days in Portugal will not be set against a Schengen (90/180) day allowance in the rest of EU. Believe, the jury is still out on this question.
If the decision goes against us, given there is no boarder between Portugal and Spain, it will be interesting to see how day counting is achieved and is enforced.
25931
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25931
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Or sailing to Gib.
greeny
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Exactly, they can say what they like but as there are no border checks, once you're in schengen you're in and no-one is counting days anywhere. They do not have the mechanism in place to do that.
After Brexit there will be the official rules and there will be the reality. Much like it is now. Getting the residency in a shengen country will open the unlimited time door to the rest of the EU regardless of what the official stance is.
After Brexit there will be the official rules and there will be the reality. Much like it is now. Getting the residency in a shengen country will open the unlimited time door to the rest of the EU regardless of what the official stance is.
Graham376
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By boat using marinas, quite easy to track movements. By car, bus or foot, virtually impossible. They may place the onus on us to report to local cop shop on arrival.
Beneteau381
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Indeed, the girl in La Linea told me that they had to send a report to the Feds every day of what boats were there
25931
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Want to bet ? They could not cope.
nortada
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I assume when we pitch up in an EU country as non-EU citizens (whether or not we are residents), we will have our UK passport date stamped.
The interesting debate could be when we come to leave and it is apparent that we have been in the Schengen Zone in excess of 80 days. If you are leaving from your country of alternative residency - no problem. But if you are leaving for another EU country, questions could be asked.
For example:- As a Portuguese resident, fly into/out of Faro - no problem but if you fly into Faro and then try to depart from Seville some 100 days later, questions could be asked.
The interesting debate could be when we come to leave and it is apparent that we have been in the Schengen Zone in excess of 80 days. If you are leaving from your country of alternative residency - no problem. But if you are leaving for another EU country, questions could be asked.
For example:- As a Portuguese resident, fly into/out of Faro - no problem but if you fly into Faro and then try to depart from Seville some 100 days later, questions could be asked.
greeny
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Depends where you are going to from Seville. If it's another EU country there are no passport checks at all for anyone. All they want is an identity check which can be your residence card. I know that because my German daughter in law never uses her passport to travel within EU. Uses her id card and did so from both Faro and Seville on two seperate occasions last year to fly back to Germany. I will be going to Germany from Faro in a couple of months and intend to travel on my Portuguese residence ID card to test it out. You do not even go through passport control at Faro if flying to another EU country that is inside Schengen.