Leaving Spain ahead of Bexit

Is it claptrap? The Spannish have form when it comes to random application of old laws, prime examples being Matriculation tax, the rural land grab, and the coastal property law. In each case some British owners have lost out, and we're about to have an almighty spat with them over Gibraltar, so it seems wise for owners with boats in Spain to at least keep a close eye on developments over the next few years, and be ready to move their boats if necessary.

btw, the thread relates to boat owners in Spain, so why should it be moved to the lounge?
 
PCUK said:
Shouldn't this political claptrap be in the lounge?
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You might think that it's claptrap, but can you point me to any political content? This is a boating forum and a question was asked about boats in Spain. If it was just about Brexit then in the lounge it should be, but it's not.
 
As well as Gib --- Fishing ,or the freedom to fish in EU waters ----hmm
If we are no longer in the EU --- then our waters ?? Cornish fishermen will need bigger boats !

Economy in Spian is nailed down on its arse ,ridiculous unemployment figures for U 30 ,s and Proffessionals ,there's a lot "working " in the UK -Ok filling Vet and dentistry vacancies .There Uni,s are churning out old ecomony vast numbers that the domestic economy can,t support --so under "freedom of movement " they fill our gaps .
Btw we need them too ( don,t tell Spanish Gov that !) as our Uni,s can,t churn out the numbers to fuel our dom economy .

So if you mix all that in ,Gib , fishing in who,s waters now ? -labour movement , and the Brit proportion of there marine industry ---
Depends if that Brit proportion is used as pawn -sacrificed by both sides ---
How big exactly is the Brit marine industry in Sp ?
Could the Spanish recover /replace with Germans -and other EU states ---- If Brits migrated away from Sp ?

I think regarding Tax ,it's like at a kids party where someone gets one of those sausage shaped balloons and makes a dog or something .
If you squeeze one end you just move the air to the other -so yup the boat fraternity will just move and inflate another part of the Meds "marine economy" .
Sardinia imposed a "boat tax " a few years back
After a short while (iirc-2y?) they were forced to repeal it ,screaming restaurant ,marina , tourist industry etc --
Nobody went ,folks sailed away -took there buisness somewhere else .
Diffence here nobody ( Germans in Sp) replaced the lost buisness .

I would be inclined to keep Reg in the UK , and see what happens -but keep a close eye on it all and try and find out more about the fishing waters post Brexit ?
 
I've had my boat a few years now so I'll sell it next year and wait until the dust settles in 2019 before looking for a replacement.
It's not an irrational fear because the Spanish have form with boat tax.
I hope they don't do something stupid again because I've really enjoyed Spain so far.
 
Nick_H said:
Is it claptrap? The Spannish have form when it comes to random application of old laws, prime examples being Matriculation tax, the rural land grab, and the coastal property law. In each case some British owners have lost out, and we're about to have an almighty spat with them over Gibraltar, so it seems wise for owners with boats in Spain to at least keep a close eye on developments over the next few years, and be ready to move their boats if necessary.

btw, the thread relates to boat owners in Spain, so why should it be moved to the lounge?
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Surely any tax (as a penalty for Brexit or Gib) would have to be levied on all boats, German, Dutch etc. It would be difficult, legally, to apply it to the vessels of one particular nation.
 
Nigelpickin said:
We do need to take advice on that but the new boat is a 45' sailing cat with small engines. We are happy to pay the higher rate of 23% in PT given that we are now resident here; the main concern is registration of the vessel versus ease of movement around the med.

Not sure why the thread would need to be moved tho'
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For a boat that size it is still quite cheap.

French Registration 573 euros per year for the hull, + about 40 euros per year for a small engine (e.g. 35HP Yanmar). This is in addition to the initial registration fees and VAT etc.

Note that if you exceed 15m LOA, the tax on the hull doubles.

For a 15m Mobo with a twin 20 litre engines count about 13,000 Euros per year.
 
adey said:
I've had my boat a few years now so I'll sell it next year and wait until the dust settles in 2019 before looking for a replacement.
It's not an irrational fear because the Spanish have form with boat tax.
I hope they don't do something stupid again because I've really enjoyed Spain so far.
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Is registering it in Spain an option?
 
Cheery said:
Surely any tax (as a penalty for Brexit or Gib) would have to be levied on all boats, German, Dutch etc. It would be difficult, legally, to apply it to the vessels of one particular nation.
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That's the point we will be out of the "cosy club" on our island in the N sea all alone after a hard Brexit .
German and Dutch et al ,still in .
New law will apply to none members ---- which if I understand will be us .
How ever other so called none EU (and none € ) are allowed to participate in certain benefits tit for tat ,
Like Norway with freedom of movement ,but they have to play by the EU immigration rules .
Switzerland with eased border controls ,they too participate in freedom of movement ,a lot of French /Germans commute into CH to work .
Horse trading .
But the general idea from them is we Britain - shouldnot by the end of the horse trading cherry pick the best bits and tell them to get stuffed with other none desirable bits like immigration control .In other words have all the benefits but none of the $hit .

They ( EU) may impose some fiscal penalty on ALL Brit boaters in the EU ,Along with any other none EU .

But I can,t see it getting too personal as we currently have a lot of EU citizens happily from all sides working in GB
But the others -nome € have horse traded immigration issues for perceived benefits .Which was a key plank in the Brexit campaign .Switzerland eg has access to single mkt --in exchange for towing the line on immigration .

Either hard Brexit or horse trade and end up more or less where we were .
If hard then Brits abroad involved in the EU Marine industry will not get much public sympathy at home -that pawn will be sacrificed .
On saying that Sp may ignore Brussels ( D + Fr) and set there own boat tax ,to spite us over Gib .
Brussels will distance its self over Gib .I can,t see a weak Sp gov NOT trying to get Gib up on the Brexit agenda ,it's an opportunity for them .
As I said we can play hard ball re fishing waters /grounds or let them continue to rape our sea ,depends how many Tory Mp,s are in fishing industry seats -suspect not many ? .

My prediction they Sp need our money /spend /support and if we end up leaving Sp they will be worse off compounding a poor economy .Thats a vote looser .
 
You must have an "address " or be able to find one ( relative ?) in the UK to SSR reg it online ?

Then wait n see .
Easy to de Reg it if needs be ?

Nowt wrong with looking at plan B,s ,but I can,t see the urgency not to UK reg it
Why not fly a red ?
 
Cheery said:
Surely any tax (as a penalty for Brexit or Gib) would have to be levied on all boats, German, Dutch etc. It would be difficult, legally, to apply it to the vessels of one particular nation.
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It's difficult to second guess what form any action would take, but as I say Spain has form for scouring it's old legislation and applying it inconsistently. Things could get pretty heated as the EU has given Spain a veto over Gibraltar in the final Brexit deal, but May has promised to include them. If the gloves are off, who knows what actions the Spannish government could take?
 
Spain might have to consider what would happen to it's fishing fleets in UK waters if it became too boisterous over Gibralter.

For better or worse a post-Brexit Britain in theory should recover full control over it's waters, after all this is what it was all about wasn't it? Although knowing this lot I'm confident they'll find a way to fumble even that simple act of self-determination in front of the goal.
 
I remember the MAT tax in Spain , all that did was create empty berths and shaft the Spanish and economy even deeper in the red, great thinking that was , probably some Brit thought that one up.
No one seems to create anything that works these days in politics, I'd wait until we def know we are leaving the EU, if Corbyn gets in it might be reversed !!
 
If Corbyn gets in Brexit will be the least of your worries. Millionaire boaters will be lined up against a wall and, well, you get the gist.
 
Cheery said:
If Corbyn gets in Brexit will be the least of your worries. Millionaire boaters will be lined up against a wall and, well, you get the gist.
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Cayman Islands Reg will ballon ,and A N other domain(s) that doesn,t publically publish the names of the directors (read owners ) of the entity that "owns" the boat .

So he will need to shoot every one ,cos he won,t be able work out who these boat owners are .

There,s a thought for anyone getting Brexit jitters ,worrying about Spain digging up some ancient boat tax to punish only Brits ( not staying in EU members ) -cos they can,t get Gib back and we have told them to go fish somewhere else ,not in UK waters .
 
Nothing happens in Spain until it does !
There will be no instant decisions no closed borders and plenty of time to react in the event .
Chill out let's wait and see
Steve
 
I am now registered UK, however Dutch registration may be on the horizon. there is always a solution, Spain wants the money
 
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