Daydream believer
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No you are both wrong I saw the film ( Monty Python & the life of Bryan) so I know it is real. It is " oh the meek. I am so glad there is something for the meek, they have had a bad time of it recently"
Lassoing - the RYA way
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Tranona
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Funnily enough it is always satisfying to do things correctly, and in a way that can cause no damage to others.
Unfortunately, some people just don't care.
That is only your opinion - and your definition of "correctly" which clearly is not the same as others.
How can you say others don't care when you have just ignored anybody who has tried to explain that they take care not to damage other peoples' property and would only use this technique where it is appropriate.
Sounds like your "satisfaction" is of the holier than thou type given your unwillingness to recognise that others are quite capable of making their own judgement about what is "correct" in any given situation.
NormanS
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It seems that I have to keep on repeating this. I condemn behaviour which has the potential to damage the property of others. I fail to see why that is a "holier than thou" attitude. I would have hoped that no-one on here would condone methods which can cause damage, but I am beginning to wonder. There are better and safer ways.
It's all very well to say, "Of course I would never lasoo an inflatable buoy", but others have admitted that they can't tell an inflatable buoy from a solid one! So much for " judgement".
rogerthebodger
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There is the potential to do damage to others simply taking your boat from its mooring but we all accept that ,it's balance of probability that we consider.
Now if you used the word will I may agree with you but there is no certainty than damage will occur so you use the word potential and can which if due care is used no damage will occur.
If you are absolutely certain that damage will occur to your mooring buoy by lassoing then you do have a case but as you are using a non absolute the only time you can complain is when some one damages your mooring buoy by lassoing, but you will never know how the damage occurred unless you or someone else witnessed the event that caused damage.
In the UK you have to drive your car "with due care and attention" other you are committing a driving offence same in a boat you have to sail in a seamanlike manor else you are committing malicious damage to proprity but again there must be a witness to the event.
johnalison
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Unfortunately, there is a whole tranche of sailors who would not describe the results of their carelessness as malicious damage. There are also opinions expressed in these pages to the effect that boats are only objects and the owners should expect damage from time to time, and the argument here is about what sort of manoeuvring can be accepted as routine, and taught as such. Given that the products of an instruction programme are likely to represent a cross-section of sailors, and to some extent society at large, we have to initiate a policy which limits the harm that people of limited sense or consideration for others can do. Most people can see that driving while talking on a phone is dangerous and illegal, and yet one can see for oneself that a significant number of drivers put their convenience before that of others. If this sounds pious, it is because I have cruised for 45 years and never yet caused as much as a scratch on another boat, let alone damaged a mooring.
NormanS
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I chose my words with care. Morality works without witnesses.
Poignard
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Life, for you, must be a living hell. Being perfect in an imperfect world must be awful. It can't be much fun for those with whom you come into contact either. Although I suppose most take pains to ensure the experience is not repeated.
I'm off sailing tomorrow; to Brittany. I expect that my boat will be bumped by incompetent French yachtsmen who don't have adequate fenders, or run shore lines when rafted out, who smoke vile cigarettes and talk loudly but all will be charming, friendly and determined to enjoy themselves, as shall I, and I'll have a great time.
Enjoy your sailing :encouragement:
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Seajet
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I'm all for learning, and I like to think it's never too late, even for me.
Where can I go and see these ' Seamanlike Manor's , are they National Trust ?
Where can I go and see these ' Seamanlike Manor's , are they National Trust ?
john_morris_uk
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The thing is, if you are noticing, then to a degree they're not there.
Laysula
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Whenever we need to use a mooring without a pickup buoy we just take a long line from the bow and reverse up to the buoy then sit on the sugar scoop and thread a line through the eye and pull it through to the bow. Advantages are , Easy for the helm to see the position of the buoy,no danger of being blown off because the boat naturally weathercocks into the wind and no uncomfortable stretching. Works for us.
Works for us.rotrax
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You obviously are not trying to reverse my boat....................................
We sometimes pick up a stropless mooring at the point of lowest freeboard, just at the front of the cockpit if a bow pick up is not possible.
Last weekend we watched a training boat trying to pick up an adjacent mooring to our Gosport Boatyard one, off Burrow Island in Gosport.
After about six tries they gave up with the boathook and lassoed it.
It is a heavy buoy with a pick up buoy and eyed strop. We invariably get ours first time, even in bad conditions. We use simple signals, given with the boathook.
Vertical-on target. Leaned to port or starboard, turn that way, the amount by the amount of lean.
When First Mate sees me bring the boathook down and lean to pick up the pickup buoy, she endevours to stay on station while I pull the pickup and strop aboard and secure it over the cleat.
Works for us-and without any verbal instructions.
We sometimes pick up a stropless mooring at the point of lowest freeboard, just at the front of the cockpit if a bow pick up is not possible.
Last weekend we watched a training boat trying to pick up an adjacent mooring to our Gosport Boatyard one, off Burrow Island in Gosport.
After about six tries they gave up with the boathook and lassoed it.
It is a heavy buoy with a pick up buoy and eyed strop. We invariably get ours first time, even in bad conditions. We use simple signals, given with the boathook.
Vertical-on target. Leaned to port or starboard, turn that way, the amount by the amount of lean.
When First Mate sees me bring the boathook down and lean to pick up the pickup buoy, she endevours to stay on station while I pull the pickup and strop aboard and secure it over the cleat.
Works for us-and without any verbal instructions.
phanakapan
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Last time I picked up a buoy it was here. We obeyed instructions. http://www.sainthelena.gov.sh/wp-co.../ST-HELENA-Harbour-information-for-yachts.pdf
oldbilbo
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Hmmm. Forty years since last you were last on a yacht doing this kind of stuff...? I'll watch your several attempts from a safe distance.
"Another triumph of hope over experience."
Flaming, Parsival, and John Morris et al have it spot on. It's just another 'tool in the toolbag'. No excuses necessary in the hands of a skilled and competent practitioner, who is careful of other's property.
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Angele
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LOL. It recommends lassoing in order to avoid the potential of damage from stabbing it with a boathook! NormanS should get on his high horse and go and tell them not to be so stupid.
Fantasie 19
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+1.. and was still being taught on mine (theory) 3 or 4 years ago.. as people say, I have been taught it, know how to do it, and wouldn't hesitate to use it if the need arose.....
WFA
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Eight years later......
I have a mooring close to Cormorant Creek in the Walton Channel.
This is the third mooring buoy I have had to replace.
Use a lasso to connect with a mooring by all means but once that is done, transfer the load off the bottom of the buoy by rigging a slip line through the top ring, the boat load is then transferred through the buoy to the riser via the metal rods passing through the plastic buoy.
The bigger your boat the greater the load!
This is the third mooring buoy I've had to replace!
I have a mooring close to Cormorant Creek in the Walton Channel.
This is the third mooring buoy I have had to replace.
Use a lasso to connect with a mooring by all means but once that is done, transfer the load off the bottom of the buoy by rigging a slip line through the top ring, the boat load is then transferred through the buoy to the riser via the metal rods passing through the plastic buoy.
The bigger your boat the greater the load!
This is the third mooring buoy I've had to replace!