Kamikaze yotties

[omega2]

Is it just me, am I being paranoid? but please tell me why when at anchor quietly fishing am I targeted by our string and rag bretheren. I do not make a habit of blocking fairways, as we fish the Thames Estuary and in the main are on the sand banks but still we are much sought after by them. Yesterday one came within 6 feet of us as we were weighing the anchor, are they being friendly? and want to have tea with us or have they got a hidden agenda, one thing is for sure the next one will very likely get a lead through his sails or worse, as verbal abuse does not appear to have any effect.

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[ari]

Brace yourself!

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[SlowlyButSurely]

Well now you know what it feels like!

Imagine also having to contend with a 6ft wash and you will begin to appreciate what we have to put up with!!

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[ari]

A SIX FOOT wash!?

You mean six foot high or six foot wide?

I'd love to see the boat that produces a wash the height of a full grown man...

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[miket]

Yawn ........ NM.

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[KevB]

Only six feet

I've told you a trillion times....Don't exaggerate!!/forums/images/icons/crazy.gif

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[Dave_Snelson]

Boring & wildly inaccurate - unless its the QE2 nm

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[mjf]

Sit at anchor off the main channel when an 8000teu container vessel rounds the Calshot Buoy!

Enjoy!

Michael

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[Planty]

Am I right in thinking that your post is not actually to do with wash? Or is it as I understand completely, why it is that sailors seem to have an inate need to "buzz" you if you are stationary. Has happened to me many times on Southampton water, try to be considerate, anchor somewhere really quiet, not a soul about, no sail boats within miles. Wait a few minutes with anchor ball up, "moths to a flame" is the cliche that comes to mind, 6 foot away, tou're doing well! Looks on their faces seem to be saying "How dare you anchor where I am sailing!!" Even had one stick himself on the mud banks so intent was he to get close to us, obviously forgot that we only need a metre depth, his keel obviously needed more!! Usual ending, our kids off in our tender, pull 'em off, and then "its your duty" attitude. Oh well!

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[jeffro]

dont suppose your a 26 stone skinhead by any chance noticed a lot of them in small fishing boats jet skis etc shouting abuse and casting lead weights at us very sociable jeffro

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[Planty]

Not quite, normal reasonable middle aged , very sociable type, sitting minding ones own business on a 43foot Flybridge motoryacht. Never thrown anything at anybody but have been blooming annoyed by inconsiderate arrogant yotties. Still however I will continue to maintain my seamanship and standards by not lowering to their level, and just take their abuse and gestures even if your that far away you can hardly see let alone hear them but of course they are still bothered by our supposed wash.

Except the one of course who decided to park his yacht on the bow of my boat which was firmly moored on a trot off Yarmouth harbour a fortnight ago.

Being an inferior seaman of course and knowing I should defer to his superior knowledge, he had sails you know, I said, "Don't worry accidents happen, it can all be sorted1" Took my number "to check everything was ok as it seemed at the time, sorry didn't see you due to the sail!!" Have I had a call, have I ................

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[Jools_of_Top_Cat]

Well I have been playing with the idea of sailing down towards the Sarth for my summer cruise, but if this is what it is like you can keep it.

Up here, motorboat skippers and yacht skippers actually wave at each other, the occasional smile, the occasional grimace as the motorboat with inexperienced skip throws us about with his wake.

But you lot seem to hate each other, pretty pathetic really. I go sailing to get away from everything and everyone, I try to be relaxed. It appears anyone who sails the big sea known as the Solent might as well remain in work. It would be less stressful.

What is wrong with you all. And to the first poster, so a yacht comes near your precious space, did he hit you, did you get bothered by his whining turbo diesels, did his wash affect you at anchor.

Other than jet skis who use me as a moving waypoint, when a yacht or nice powerboat comes near I treat it is a photo opportunity.

Usual disclaimer, I do not enjoy inconsiderate skippers who pass so close their wash throws me around, nor power boats who deploy ribs for the kids in a quiet anchorage so the piece is broken all day by outboards, but then does anyone?





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[Sunnyseeker]

I always try to park close to a big motor boat as we all know they have far better and bigger fridges, we supply the fresh bread and cheese (matured nicely in the bilges from a long passage) and they supply copius quantities of cold beer and every ones happy. Thats how I remember my last meeting with a Mobo?
Maybe there are too many pubs with cold beer so they think there's no need for power boats?
It does sound like its a Solent thing this 'them n us' routine. I'll stay down in the West thanks...


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[tome]

In defence of the Solent

I think you're getting the wrong impression of the Solent. I've been sailing here for 30 years but wouldn't recognise the place from some of the rants posted on these forums! Now and again you'll see some poor seamanship, but I like to think it's down to lack of experience rather than anything more sinister, and it's certainly not confined to any one type of craft.

Even the dreaded S*****l boats can have pleasant crews on board! Come and visit, and be pleasantly surprised. Plenty of action if you like photography. If it wasn't relaxed, I'd have given it up years ago.

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[truebrit]

Milford Haven tugs certainly used to try for the six feet high wash, though they seem to take it a little steadier these days.

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

I smell a strong whiff of a hypocrite here. Why is it inconsiderate for a boat to pass close to you because of its wash or for kids in RIBs to disturb your peace in an anchorage but it isnt inconsiderate for a yacht to pass close to an angling boat where there is the very real chance that fishing lines get snagged by the yacht?
Whats the difference? You're still disturbing the activities of another seafarer
Agreeing with planty on this issue, why on earth is it necessary for yachts to be sailed through crowded anchorages anyway, as often happens in the Solent (East Head and Priory Bay for example)? The visibility from the helm of a yacht is much reduced with the sails up and it is plain dangerous when there are tenders and swimmers about. I'm sure there is an element of 'look at me, I'm a real sailor' about this

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[Jinks]

Last evening took the 18:00 lock out of Swansea with a couple of mates of mine, one of whom is a very experienced yottie who also has a boat in the Marina. Tootling down the river to the sea at a sedate 4 or 5 knots there is a yottie coming in the opposite direction. My mate waves to this chap who totally ignores him. He says to me "Isn't it stupid, I know that chap well, we've had many a pint together."

Now there may be a reason he didn't acknowledge the wave other than it came from a mobo - but I can't think what.

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[Jools_of_Top_Cat]

I didn't say it was ok, I was more referring to the hatred that came from that post, lead through the sails etc. I know that was only said in anger. What I was trying to say was very little harm was done by an inconsiderate skipper. Maybe the skip was actually extremely experienced and could handle the boat like a dinghy and was in 100% control all the time.

Regardless, I know Tome said he had not experienced it, but reading comments between southern sailors and MOBO's it appears to have gone past tongue in cheek rivalry. Maybe even here too if what Dave Snelson said is true and yachts leaving Pwllheli ignored a MOBO in peril.

Can you tell me different, from your comments you hate boats sailing to their moorings, why?

I don't believe it is smugness, many saily boats are better controlled under sail than auxiliary engine. By sailing to the mooring what harm does it do?

Not wishing to start that old argument up again, but do you think it ok for kids to buzz around in ribs all day when the majority have anchored looking for peace and quiet?

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[Deleted User YDKXO]

No I dont think its acceptable for kids to roar around quiet anchorages from both the noise and safety point of view and the same goes for PWC's. Also I dont think its acceptable for mobos to fly past sailing boats in close proximity although I do think the wash issue is somewhat exaggerated
In the same vein, I do not think its acceptable for sailing boats to sail through moorings or anchorages mainly for the reason that I have already stated in that the helmsman's visibility can be seriously impaired by the sails and he may not see small tenders, dinghies, swimmers or whatever. I also question whether its even necessary to do this as most sailing boats that do this are on passage to elsewhere. Furthermore, I would say that all boats should have the common sense and courtesy not to pass through anchorages and moorings unless they really need to do so
As for the Solent, its a couple of years since I left the Solent for the Med but, in the main, the relationship between yotties and stinkies there is good natured. The basic problem is that there are a lot of boats vying for the same space although I still would'nt call it crowded in the sense that our roads are crowded.

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[duncan]

Re: peace and good will.....

At the risk of being a target for everyone - I agree with the sentiment of all so far!
Anchored quietly I get anoyed by kids in tenders either going round and round me making a wake (if the anchorage is flat calm anything will set a small boat rocking) or droning on all day; but would accept the odd hour of droning and no wake!
As an angler I have lost count of the times large powerboats passing close have caused the boat to rock so violently that the bait trays and tackle boxes have been sent crashing to the floor, let alone the tea spilt, and yachts have passed so tight that I have had concerns they may catch lines or the anchor warp. The former I put down to autopilots and a natural tendency to steer towards any visible object close to your intended route, the latter to yachts not wishing to change course at all once trimmed if it can be avoided! I would point out that these incidents happen at least 3 miles away from any port or 'pinch point', such as Poole Harbour entrance or Old Harry - in these areas, as many areas of the Solent, it would be unreasonable to expect craft to keep changing course for every user beyond basic safety considerations.

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