Whitelighter
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To be fair the boat is nearly 30 years old...
KAD 44 Replacement with KAD 42
- Thread starter Dazzajohm
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To be fair the boat is nearly 30 years old...
Whitelighter
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Electronic controls were an option on the 42/43 so these could be retained. In fact it's likely they will as bolting the actuators onto the engine is much simpler than runnng morse cables and supplying new throttle hardware
Chris_d
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I certainly wouldn't accept a 42, its well known that it had loads of cooling issues and was generally a problem engine, the introduction of the 43 was to fix all the woes. Why does he have a 42 in stock!
DavidJ
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Very good point. The KAD44 was an expensive upgrade for someone for that age of boat.
Re the KAD42 I believe the later 42's had the cooling/head gasket problems resolved. I wonder which one this is?
I'm sure someone here knows the engine numbers for the improved ones.
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volvopaul
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Not possible to swap from the 44 to the 42 , the electronic shift system is built into the engine ECU controlling the injection pump and the stand alone shift actuator , to fit the 42 back in would require mores style controls and cables.
Volvos electronic shift system fitted to many boats as a stand alone system with actuators and cables to a manual engine is now obsolete , some parts like the ECU is no longer available.
oldgit
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In the nicest possible way, your quickest route to having a working boat to enjoy in whats left of this summer(its now June) is to basically say you have bent over backwards to give them the opportunity to sort the boat and it has simply not worked out.
It is going to take even more of your time to get that engine put in and judging by the comments the entire control system is going to be bit of a mix and match to get the engine working ,the providence of which you know nothing, installed .
Time to cut and run, I cannot think of single customer of mine who would have put up with this farago for this long and I would have given your cash back long ago purely to get you out of my life.
It is going to take even more of your time to get that engine put in and judging by the comments the entire control system is going to be bit of a mix and match to get the engine working ,the providence of which you know nothing, installed .
Time to cut and run, I cannot think of single customer of mine who would have put up with this farago for this long and I would have given your cash back long ago purely to get you out of my life.
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jon and michie
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As Volvo paul has said - get an independent Volvo specialist in - The fact that you have mentioned the dealer you bought the boat from had got another local engineer in who also couldn't diagnose the problem and has suggested a swap out tells me he doesn't want you to get your money back - Maybe he has diagnosed the problem but doesn't want to go down the route of an engine rebuild etc hence the swap out.
if an entirely different engine went into your boat that was never fitted as an option from the manufacturer - then any prospective buyer who does his homework will instantly hear bells ringing.
would you buy a Ferrari with a ford engine fitted ???
just my opinion
jon
if an entirely different engine went into your boat that was never fitted as an option from the manufacturer - then any prospective buyer who does his homework will instantly hear bells ringing.
would you buy a Ferrari with a ford engine fitted ???
just my opinion
jon
Whitelighter
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To be fair, the OPs boat would never have been supplied with a KAD 42 or KAD 44, and would have originally been supplied with twin petrol engines, not a single diesel.
So the 'wrong engine' ship has sailed. If anything, the KAD 42 is more age appropriate for the boat than the 44, as one of the diesel options was twin AD41, though that is by the by.
Id consider the swap, but only if the value difference between a 42 and a 44 was made. Defining that value is the hard part.
A quick question for the OP (and I apologise if this has been answered already) - was the boat a stock boat the dealer owned or a brokerage boat or a brokerage trade in?
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hati
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Just to consider when purchasing boat engined TAMD63P with Volvos electronic shift system fitted. Will it be something to look in maintenance perspective if problems come up with electronic shift system and i.e. spare ECUs are not available? Even shifting with electronic controls is better would you choose with manual shifting in long term maintenance perspective?
volvopaul
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The 63 p in mainstream phantom 40 will become a real headache in the future and something to budget fir, a swap to ZF Mathers is the answer when it's no longer available
alt
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I love the advise you offer on the forum. I am seriously considering a Phantom 40 for my next boat (i've been saying that for 2 years now).
When you say headache, do you mean the throttles?
Dazzajohm
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The story I was told was the boat was taken in and the 44 put in at the request of the previous owner however while this was being done the previous owner decided to part exchange it with another boat... then I came along...
simonfraser
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'Time to cut and run, I cannot think of single customer of mine who would have put up with this farago for this long and I would have given your cash back long ago purely to get you out of my life.'
your next month or two are going to be more hassle, either way
1) engine swap which will take time, and you get another old engine .......
2) refund - take them to court if needed, thats what i would do with an independent report stating the defects
your next month or two are going to be more hassle, either way
1) engine swap which will take time, and you get another old engine .......
2) refund - take them to court if needed, thats what i would do with an independent report stating the defects
beejay190
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Did you sea trial the boat before purchase ?
Dazzajohm
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Yes of course we sea trialled the boat, which was fine at the time and the next couple of times we used it afterwards.
volvopaul
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Yes as the ecu isn't available now
volvopaul
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So she ran ok but obviously has a fault that no one can trace, Volspec are your nearest dealer , I'd be investing in there services to Iron out and make a final decision then put it to your supplier what he intends to do ref reimbursing you.
Dazzajohm
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Thought I'd post a brief update on this;
Boat came out the water a week ago and went to dealers yard. After a chat decided to try stick with the KAD 44 instead of swapping to the 42 so he's had his guy looking at it. So far, the oil leak was found to be coming from the seal / gasket of the rocker cover. This has now been replaced and fixed. The exhaust bellows was found to be split so obviously now replaced also. Finally, the turbo was found to be not working. This was replaced and had initially hoped to get back in water today but for some reason new turbo is also not working so they need to do some additional troubleshooting.
Hopefully sorted next week, fingers crossed.
Boat came out the water a week ago and went to dealers yard. After a chat decided to try stick with the KAD 44 instead of swapping to the 42 so he's had his guy looking at it. So far, the oil leak was found to be coming from the seal / gasket of the rocker cover. This has now been replaced and fixed. The exhaust bellows was found to be split so obviously now replaced also. Finally, the turbo was found to be not working. This was replaced and had initially hoped to get back in water today but for some reason new turbo is also not working so they need to do some additional troubleshooting.
Hopefully sorted next week, fingers crossed.
CLB
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New turbo not working? I understand why an old one can stop doing its job, but I can't see any reason a new one wouldnt work. It's just a thing that spins in the exhaust gas. Must be a problem with the intake or exhaust components surely.
Dazzajohm
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Yes I would imagine so.