lyc
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Join the RYA fight for red diesel and fill in the Red Diesel Consultation Questionnaire <A target="_blank" HREF=http://groups.yahoo.com/group/BroadsandEastcoastBoating/>Broads & East Coast Boating
Join the RYA fight for red diesel
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sailorman
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done mine
come the revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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come the revolution!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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BrendanS
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Do they really mean an increase in diesel price by 95p per litre. I though it was an increase TO 95p.
Could open new dimension to petrol vs diesel. Would make marine petrol cheaper than diesel (I buy petrol at Berthon at 83p per litre)
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Could open new dimension to petrol vs diesel. Would make marine petrol cheaper than diesel (I buy petrol at Berthon at 83p per litre)
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Althorne
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Why should we have to join the RYA to fight the diesel rise. Why can't they include everyone who boats, big or small, rich or poor. Whenever we have had anything to do with RYA types our cockney accents have engendered snotty noses and disparaging looks. Being a millionare does not mean I have to have a big boat and I,m still very happy with my 27 foot, 27 year old boat and still want cheap diesel....so there
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BrendanS
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1. join, fall in, get together -- become part of; become a member of a group or organization; "He joined the Communist Party as a young man"
2. join, bring together -- cause to become joined or linked
2 being used here. Fill in questionaire, not pay to become member <s>
<hr width=100% size=1>There is no such thing as "fun for the whole family."
2. join, bring together -- cause to become joined or linked
2 being used here. Fill in questionaire, not pay to become member <s>
<hr width=100% size=1>There is no such thing as "fun for the whole family."
lyc
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"Why should we have to join the RYA to fight the diesel rise" ????
Where does it mention you have to join the RYA organisation just to fill in the questionnaire?
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Where does it mention you have to join the RYA organisation just to fill in the questionnaire?
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sealine
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Done mine???
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BrendanS
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You stated
"Join the RYA fight for red diesel"
misread?
<hr width=100% size=1>There is no such thing as "fun for the whole family."
"Join the RYA fight for red diesel"
misread?
<hr width=100% size=1>There is no such thing as "fun for the whole family."
lanason
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Done mine.
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TheBoatman
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Done mine but was a little disappointed?
As a yacht club member and someone who is responsible for 4 boats I feel cheated?
As far as the RYA are concerned I only use 600 ltrs / year when in fact I use closer to 2500.
I emailed the RYA Chief Exec and told him so!
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As a yacht club member and someone who is responsible for 4 boats I feel cheated?
As far as the RYA are concerned I only use 600 ltrs / year when in fact I use closer to 2500.
I emailed the RYA Chief Exec and told him so!
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pheran
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Haven't filled mine in, can't wait for UK red diesel to go up to 95p/litre. Then I can adopt that same smug self-satisfied look peeps here give me when I tell them I keep my boat in Holland and have to pay 52p/litre for the proper white road stuff! /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif
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sailorman
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i suppose u go to Belgium to get yours?????????? smuggy & buy d/ free as well ?.
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PGD
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Done, any chance you guys can do mine in return /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
cheers
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cheers
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LeytonC
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Think they forgot 1 option, buying diesel from farmers who will still get cheap diesel
no matter what IMHO.
(I am ignoring colour of diesel here)
BTW i filled it in as well
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Leyton
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no matter what IMHO.
(I am ignoring colour of diesel here)
BTW i filled it in as well
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Leyton
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Dave_Snelson
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Done! Registered Glaslyn Marine (chandlers) as excellent.
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MedDreamer
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Why not a campaign to REDUCE the price of marine petrol to the same level then?
Surely any arguement supporting reduced rate diesel applies to petrol?
I am certainly no socialist but it does seem a little bit odd that those with bigger boats actually benefit the most from this concession. As I say I am no socialist but underneath it all the Chancellor is and I am sure the above point is not lost on him. - add to this the governments tactic of whenever possible using the "green" arguement to justify new taxation and one can only conclude that the recreational boater is right in the middle of the Treasurygunsight.
Good luck but you are flogging a dead horse IMHO.
I wonder whats motivated the RYA in this then? Having hung the MoBo community on Windermere out to dry have they decided the the Stinkies are important? or is it the case that they are responding to their Yottie members who don't like the idea of paying full price for their five gallons a year!!
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Surely any arguement supporting reduced rate diesel applies to petrol?
I am certainly no socialist but it does seem a little bit odd that those with bigger boats actually benefit the most from this concession. As I say I am no socialist but underneath it all the Chancellor is and I am sure the above point is not lost on him. - add to this the governments tactic of whenever possible using the "green" arguement to justify new taxation and one can only conclude that the recreational boater is right in the middle of the Treasurygunsight.
Good luck but you are flogging a dead horse IMHO.
I wonder whats motivated the RYA in this then? Having hung the MoBo community on Windermere out to dry have they decided the the Stinkies are important? or is it the case that they are responding to their Yottie members who don't like the idea of paying full price for their five gallons a year!!
Martyn
(Bit cynical this morning aren't I - sorry about that but I think the above represents the real world)
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Talon
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Does anyone know the history of why we have had diesel so cheap for so long?
I am very upset about the pending price rise, it will completely de-value my boat and will probably end my boating days to be honest!
The only thing that confuses my is why we have not been taxed in the first place?
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I am very upset about the pending price rise, it will completely de-value my boat and will probably end my boating days to be honest!
The only thing that confuses my is why we have not been taxed in the first place?
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gjgm
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Well being on petrol, the questionnaire didnt seem to apply to me. I can fully understand why those presently benefiting from cheap fuel would like to keep it, and accept that if diesel goes up in price it will have a consequence on who can afford to use their boat. I suppose that may have ramifications on marinas, boat production etc etc, but in terms of EU wide fuel tax harmonisation,this cant be on strong ground. Quite what is the arguement that diesel leisure boaters in the UK should have tax reduced fuel? I can see the debate.. Uk farmers, yep good idea, UK marine industry, yes agreed, UK petrol leisure boaters, umm no fraid not-dont get it elsewhere in EU , Uk diesel leisure boaters, er... I dont mind two hoots if diesel leisure boaters get tax efficient fuel, but out of interest, what is the reason?
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jhr
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Why is boaty diesel tax free?
I've heard various explanations for this over the years, including the suggestion that it was a "thank you" to private yacht owners after Dunkirk. A nice story, but it sems unlikely, somehow.
I suspect that the truth is more prosaic - i.e. that in the old days, (by which I mean pre WW2) private yachtsmen would fill up their boats at the same pumps as commercial sailors - fishermen and the like, who were exempted from tax because, like farmers, it related to their livelihood - and the amount of tax foregone in consequence was so trivial that the government didn't bother about it. In those days, people also had bizarre things like paraffin-powered engines in boats (which I assume was also untaxed) but by and large, didn't have petrol engines and, if they did, brought it from a garage in cans, paid tax and cursed inwardly.
Fast forward to today (or recently, anyway) and we have a situation, which has grown over the years without ever being formalised, whereby lots of people put large quantities of tax free diesel in their boats and the existence of the EU means that this state of affairs needs to be categorised. Hence "special exemptions" for leisure boaters, requiring "regular review".
Logically, it doesn't make sense and I suspect that it will go one day (although I think I'm right in saying that the UK govt. has just successfully negotiated an extension to the exemption?). A pity; I don't have a strong axe to grind about this one way or the other, as my pride and joy runs on petrol, and I cough up with a weary smile on my face. However, I aspire to own a boat big enough to need diesels one day - which will undoubtedly mark the day on which the exemption will be rescinded. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
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I've heard various explanations for this over the years, including the suggestion that it was a "thank you" to private yacht owners after Dunkirk. A nice story, but it sems unlikely, somehow.
I suspect that the truth is more prosaic - i.e. that in the old days, (by which I mean pre WW2) private yachtsmen would fill up their boats at the same pumps as commercial sailors - fishermen and the like, who were exempted from tax because, like farmers, it related to their livelihood - and the amount of tax foregone in consequence was so trivial that the government didn't bother about it. In those days, people also had bizarre things like paraffin-powered engines in boats (which I assume was also untaxed) but by and large, didn't have petrol engines and, if they did, brought it from a garage in cans, paid tax and cursed inwardly.
Fast forward to today (or recently, anyway) and we have a situation, which has grown over the years without ever being formalised, whereby lots of people put large quantities of tax free diesel in their boats and the existence of the EU means that this state of affairs needs to be categorised. Hence "special exemptions" for leisure boaters, requiring "regular review".
Logically, it doesn't make sense and I suspect that it will go one day (although I think I'm right in saying that the UK govt. has just successfully negotiated an extension to the exemption?). A pity; I don't have a strong axe to grind about this one way or the other, as my pride and joy runs on petrol, and I cough up with a weary smile on my face. However, I aspire to own a boat big enough to need diesels one day - which will undoubtedly mark the day on which the exemption will be rescinded. /forums/images/icons/smile.gif
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Talon
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Re: Why is boaty diesel tax free?
I really hope the price does not go up, believe me!!
But what is our defence? Is our argument simply that we like it cheaper? Everything is taxed in this day and age, how are we going to stop this happening?
Maybe we should be pleased that we have got away with it thus far.... /forums/images/icons/frown.gif
Ah well, we will wait and see. Looks like my second choice of flying a helicopter may not be so far away if I have to sell the boat...
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I really hope the price does not go up, believe me!!
But what is our defence? Is our argument simply that we like it cheaper? Everything is taxed in this day and age, how are we going to stop this happening?
Maybe we should be pleased that we have got away with it thus far.... /forums/images/icons/frown.gif
Ah well, we will wait and see. Looks like my second choice of flying a helicopter may not be so far away if I have to sell the boat...
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