Jetski - Compulsory training/licensing.....

[Happy1]

I wouldn't say my intelligence is high /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif but there must be a way of having a practical BASIC course that would show people, even with the use of pictures what to do and not to do. Any training is better than nothing, even the safety issues with the use of pictures, radio use with just practical training. I just don't want to see any more preventable deaths of kids.

Even if the course was only half a day and subsidised by some means, that is better than nothing. I think the RYA courses are expensive, but then there are all the overheads, unnecessary in some cases, I mean why do I need to see a lecture with laptops, overhead projectors, power point presentations e.t.c A blackboard would do.

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[byron]

Byron, you don't need to worry I wouldn't have you tested, I would give people with a year or mores experience a licence, then get the others testet. You have the wrong end of the stick, it's not people who have been boating for years that are the problem,

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How kind of you to say people like me would be excused the test, Master Mariners don't need RYA Yachtmaster bits of paper, we outrank an Ocean Master.
It was legislation and nit picking that toppled the UK as the world's sea power. It was legislation and nit picking that has driven the boats from inland waterways to the sea. Now you want to legislate to drive people off the sea too.
Leave well alone, you would be opening a veritable Pandora's box. Generally speaking the RNLI get called more to such as fishing boats than to yachtsmen, a yachtsmen generally just needs a tow home and sees the RNLI as an AA service.

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[Happy1]

I guess you could say the same about University degrees!! A bit of paper to say that at the time you knew whatever, no experience of life or practical skills and suddenly they become experts!! I would agree 100% with that /forums/images/icons/wink.gif In that case I must be a master of life, and a kindergarten boater /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif

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[byron]

<font color=blue>Strange as this may sound. My company has a policy not to employ people with a degree. Our experiences in the past has shown that whilst they are good at passing exams they cannot work beyond set guidelines. Terrible to brand and entire strata of society by such a generalisation but it works for us.

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[Happy1]

Got any jobs going then Byron /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif Do you need a quiet lateral thinking non graduate?

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[gonfishing]

all the training and all the certificates are no subtitute for common sense and that cannot be taught

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[TwoStroke]

Agree with Happy1. There should be some basic training - ideally all in one package - basic boat handling, radio and navigation set over a weekend or two at a reasonable cost. I'm sure the insurers' would appreciate it too.

You need a licence for your car, bike etc... What they do after they have the licence is a different matter, but at least they would have the basics under their belt. No licence, no insurance.

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[sailbadthesinner]

i disagree
training should be encouraged not compulsory

anyway it is darwinism at work
naturally selecting the idiots from the gene pool.

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[qsiv]

I wouldnt mind betting that more children are killed by licensed drivers of road vehicles than are ever killed by parents at sea - in fact I suspect that more children are killed as pedestrians by licensed motorists than at sea.

As for me - thoroughly enjoyed being dragged off across the Atlantic at 4. If the corpulent doctor who delivered me could have fitted down the companionway of the boat my parents lived on, I'd have been born on a boat. As it was, my mother rented a house for 5 days, during which time I was delivered as planned (I still try to be on time for appointments). I was rowing before I could walk (as were many children on the river), and I consider I had wonderful opportunities as a child.

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[Happy1]

Brilliant, that is great as you were brought up with the sea (not literaly /forums/images/icons/laugh.gif) What I am talking about is plonkers who have never seen the sea, buy a boat and go out with kids. BIG difference, do you see it now? Good on your parents being the way they were, but some people are just so naive and plain daft, they have not got a bloody clue, and when you ask them why theu went out in a Force 8 with no safety gear you get a gormless look.

I have seen the same in diving, there are some people I refuse to dive with. I was diving with a Japanese guy as my buddy last year on a deep dive in Barbados and he just swam off, I spent time looking for him then had to surface, he appeared out of the water about 25 mins later, oblivious to what he had done wrong, he had just followed some fish to photograph. This was against our agreed plan. Sorry I am a bit more fussy nowadays.

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[BarryH]

Sorry but this is all going a bit far and getting tedious. Research time, your good at that, go get the stats from RNLI (but they'll be inflated with all the trivial stuff to make them look better) regarding lives lost at sea last year, and callouts for the whole of the British Isles. The go look at the callout rate of the emergency services relating to road casulties (fatalities/survivable) and then compare the TWO!

My insurance company does'nt regard sailing and boating as a high risk pastime. They think I'm more likley to get killed by a novice driver driving to the slip. OK the number of road users is far greater, but every single one of them should have a license and have had some training and met a minimum standard by law!!

Thers lees accidents in boating as a past time than there is playing tennis or course fishing. So the moral of the stoey is. If you line near a licenced driver who play tennis and goes to the river fishing, go get yourself a black suit. You'll need it sooner or later!!!!!!!!

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[qsiv]

... but my parents never had any RYA related bit of paper in their lives. It didnt make them dangerous or negligent.

I have two issues

A). Government is probably the least well qualified to dream up and administer such tests. Just look at thFrench system - it's a nonsense.

B) Qualifications are nearly worthless - what matters is experience. Now - saying that nobody can be in unsupervised command of a boat with less than 5,000 hours sea time might appeal to me. It might even appeal to Byron.

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[Happy1]

Nobody has said get RYA qualifications, just some basic training! Even if you didn't get a certificate but it could be proved you have done it. It is irrational to say that you agree to someone who has never been on a boat or out to sea to be able to get in a new boat that they have never been in before, never mind don't know how to operate any safety gear IF there is some and set off with children on board. But that is what you can do at the moment!!! Complete bonkers.

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[byron]

Nobody has said get RYA qualifications, just some basic training

<font color=blue>You see Happy, this is where you display your marked lack of knowledge of the situation. It was only a couple or so years ago you could do just that. Obtain an ICC with the signature of a club flag officer or CG or even a professional., saying you were experienced etc. What happened? The RYA saw a nice little earner and bowed to the demands of the French that an exam be sat. Now not only do you pay them, you take a test, the paper only lasts 5 years and you have to pay again for a new scabby bit of paper.


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[Happy1]

What are you waffling on about Byron, 'lack of knowledge of the situation'? I am saying that there should be a basic form of training without all the RYA money making nonsense for people of all means. But I am talking about now, nobody has mentioned the 1940's /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[duncan]

Re: red tape or....

enforced common sense?

in the US they will enforce rules such as the lifejackets for kids and others - and their enforcement agancies seem to have the respect of the communities. In Spain (Ampuriabrava)they were very hot on all boats having lifejackets on board for all persons - but less so on ICC etc - if you didn't comply you were in for a long day with the beauracrats and a fine.
I am sure I will be corrected if I am wrong but even if there isn't legistation around licencing and competence, shouldn't the Jetskier have had passage plan?..............

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[byron]

<font color=blue>It is you that consistently waffles about things you know nothing of. We are not talking of the 1940s we are talking of only a couple of years back.
However! I will concede maybe I am wrong and you are right. You have obviously already acquired sufficient knowledge of maritime subjects including safety matters to posture against others who have been at it for a lifetime. Others may regard you as a Pratt but I have tried to give you the benefit of the doubt putting your postings down to enthusiasm. I think it is best therefore I ignore your future postings.

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[petem]

An ICC can be gained by passing an exam. Alternatively you can qualify for an ICC by taking a Day Skipper course, which is also a test, albeit one that nobody ever fails. So not really a test at all.

People who are keen on safety do a course. People who don't care about don't bother with training. They are also the ones who go to sea without lifejackets for their kids.

People who let there kids play in £10 dinghys on the beach are also clueless.

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[longjohnsilver]

Axshully Pete I think you're wrong about ICC, when I did mine a few years ago it was an on the water assessment with just a few questions at the end. The CEVNI endorsemnet was a written test.

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