Jetski - Compulsory training/licensing.....

[petem]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/wales/2214425.stm

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[byron]

<font color=blue>Once the pen pushers get in on the act empire building and making enforcements, we will all be banned from boating. A licence will be required for everything and a test required before being allowed to buy a boating magazine. That family have learned a lesson they will not forget and will be sure to pass their experiences on.

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[Happy1]

I think that evryone who ventures out to sea in charge of any type of motorised vessel should be licenced via proper training or supervised by a licence holder just like a car. How long will it take before more accidents happen as the coast gets more and more blocked up. It would make more room for those that have taken their licence /forums/images/icons/wink.gif These kids that end up getting killed by their stupid irresposible parents never get a say in it, they are taken out without the proper protection and conditiond to their death. It's about time the courts hammered these murderers to make an example to others. All this nonsense about not needing to be trained or to learn about safety before heading out to sea is total and utter crap IMHO of course.

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[oldsalt]

I totally agree with you, when did you get your Yachtmaster qualification?

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[lanason]

Actually I don't agree - we have so much red tape that nothing becomes simple any more. Lets keep rules to the minimum and use common sence.

I will need to have a licenece to show that I am am capable of applying for a licenence that will allow me to apply for the training to get the certificate... and on it goes................... /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[BarryH]

This argument has been thrased over time and time again. The UK has one of the lowest "incident" rates in europe.

OK, so compulsory training/licence is implimented. Your average sincible boater goes out and get qualified. Then theres the yobbish type bloke in the sportsboat that will go out wether his licensed or not. Back to the same situation!! A bit of common sence is what is needed. Unfortunately there people out there with zero commonsense. I come across them all the time in my day to day dealings.

Our driving test is there to ensure that drivers have the basics and meet minimum requirements to drive on the road. You still get idiots, nay, complete twats, on the road. Whats going to make the waterways and seas any different.

Then once the licence traing come into play, what next, Seafund licence for the boats that use the water. We already have it for inland waterways. But that goes to pay for the upkeep, locks etc.. Sorry people, its one of my last freedoms that is virtually untouch by some government dept/body. I'd like to keep it that way thanks.

Let the idiots who want to get thyemselves in trouble do it. Just charge them for the rescue if its found out that the situation arose cos they were too bloody stupid to think about what they were doing. Sorry if it sounds a bit harsh, but I don't suffer fools gladly.

In short leave things as they are and maintain the status quo.

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[Happy1]

I don't really care about the idots that go and get themselves into trouble, although I would prefer they didn't, but it is the children that the idiots take with them who get injured and killed, they don't have a choice at all, one death of a child caused by an idiot is one too many. As for cars you need to pass the basic driving test, why not have something basic for boats, at least you should learn the absolute basics on the course. Perhaps the dealer of new and used boats should offer free training out of the money they have obtained by deception, that would go some way towards putting something back into boating!!

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[DepSol]

Nah go for licences and such stuff then people will stop buying boats the prices will plummet and I can pick up a boat cheaply and not have to worry about getting qualifications etc to meet uk standard being that the CI is years behind /forums/images/icons/smile.gif


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[longjohnsilver]

Well said Barry, the driving test is basically to protect others on the road. At sea I don't feel that I need protecting from other idiots, maybe those in more crowded areas such as the Solent may disagree.

However I do think that harbourmasters should have powers to fine/ban idiots who travel too fast in confined waters and act dangerously. Apart from that keep as much red tape and the empire building beaurocrats well away from our waters.

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[BarryH]

A lot of the dealers do offer training with new boats. Yes theres the driving test, but that hasn't stopped the twats be downright dangerous and putting theirown and other peoples, lives at risk. Just go look at any BMW 3 series driver on the M25!

Read between the lines, it won't make any difference. Just be an exercise in spending tax payers money setting it all up. Then extracting money from people who would probably go and get some training, you did, then wasting even more money policing it and having some state of the art offce complex built with state of the art IT just to run the day to day administration.

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[Happy1]

I still think that children should only be allowed out with a trained person. Better still bang up the idiots boating dangerously out there, protect the rest of us.

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[Happy1]

I think any idiot found guilty of putting lives at risk, should have his boat put in a crusher there and then, that would stop them soon enough!!

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[BarryH]

Same could be said for the kids whos parents are basically idiots on the road. Its called life, unfortunatly theres no compulsory test for would be parents. Any way with parents like that, the kids will only grow up tyo be the same!!!

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[petem]

AFAIK Happy1 has done his day skipper and cannot be accused of having insufficient safety gear aboard. That's more that can be said for those that spend £10 on a plastic dinghy or even a few grand on a jet ski.

My problem with jet ski's is that they are more 'accesible' than power boats and I fear that this allows their users to enter into the hobby with less preparation.

As usual it's a shame that the minority spoil things for the majority.



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[petem]

OK well how about a law that says that all children on private pleasure boats must wear life jackets. Or is that a little too beaurocratic?

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[Happy1]

Well that should be obvious but the cops are too busy putting up speed cameras in silly locations!! The Americans have a recent law that states :-

The Coast Guard issued an Interim Rule in the Federal Register in June, which will take effect December 23, 2002.

Effectively the rule remains the same, i.e. No person may operate a recreational vessel underway with any child under 13 years old aboard unless each such child is either 1) wearing an appropriate lifejacket approved by the Coast Guard, or 2) below decks or in an enclosed cabin.

I agree it would be a minimum first step, I don't like all the red tape but sometimes it has to be put there or we would all end up like Bagdad at the moment !!

Anyway I am keeping quiet now as I have just been PM'd to tell me that in about 15 posts time Grumpy1 and Happy1 have posted 1,000 posts, I can't believe that at all !!!! I didn't keep a record of my old posts as Grumpy1 so don't know. It is a bit embarrasing if I have posted that much, time to keep quiet I think /forums/images/icons/wink.gif

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[BarryH]

No not rally thats just common sense. Rule on my boat is that the kids wear them all the time, no questions. I took my 2 to the swimming pool while they were both still in nappies to start them on the right track, again just common sense. They can now both swim. The youngest is four, the eldest is six. Its harder to get them to come out of the sea now when we're on the beach.

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[Blue_Blazes]

Well done Happy1. You have done it the right way. You got yourself on a recognised course and you asked LOTS of questions of those who'd been at it for years. However, that doesn't give you the right to insist that everyone must follow the same path. I believe that most people who take to boating do so in a much more piecemeal fashion, learning bit by bit as they go along, learning by their mistakes and successes. It is my guess that many of the motorboating "gods" you have turned to in the last few weeks for guidance will have learnt that way. RYA courses are excellent, and people should be encouraged to take them, but they are intensive and aimed at those of average to high academic ability. Some of the best seamen you could wish to meet do not fall into those categories. Should they be denied a licence? No. As others have said, there will always be fools who have no regard for the safety of themselves or others. Let's not penalise the vast majority because of them.

Bill.

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[byron]

I think that evryone who ventures out to sea in charge of any type of motorised vessel should be licenced via proper training or supervised by a licence holder just like a car
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Lets see now, almost 30 years an auxiliary Coastguard, 40 years since I got my Black Book, 55 years since I first got my own small boat, I think that qualifies me to state vehemently that licencing of any description should be avoided at all costs.
With the greatest respect you come along and after a few decimal days of boating have decided licencing is needed.
Come back in 55 years having experienced everything from an 85,000 ton ore carrier to a canoe and see if you have the same point of view.
Any form of licencing should, nay MUST, be avoided at all costs. I've said it before, scabby bits of paper issued by Clerks do not make seamen. Natural ability & common sense coupled to experience does. The day licencing comes in is the day I give up boating... it will be too dangerous out there.


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[Happy1]

Byron, you don't need to worry I wouldn't have you tested, I would give people with a year or mores experience a licence, then get the others testet. You have the wrong end of the stick, it's not people who have been boating for years that are the problem, it is the new naive people who think it is just like jumping in a car and driving off. As for me only boating for decimal days, that is perhaps a good thing as I can see what is happening, the old dinasaurs who have been at it for years get blinkered hate change and need to be tucked up with a blanket and hot chocolate whilst the laws are changed to stop upsetting them /forums/images/icons/wink.gif let's face it you will never please everyone but safety is paramount.

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