Jeanneau Vs Hanse Discuss?

[uxb]

I'd be an un happy bunny taking a new boat through the canals...

Buy second hand, ignore the scrapes and dents you'll get and cruise longer with the money you'll save...

 

[neil1967]

No experience of Hanse, but our Jeaneau 36i has now had 4 seasons of chartering in the med, around 18 weeks each season, and she still looks, and is, in very good condition. She has been very well looked after by our agents, but there have been no major issues whatsoever - I know because I see the bills each year! We normally visit her twice a year, so i have first hand knowledge of her condition. I don't know if the quality has changed over the past 4 years, but on what I have seen if I were buying another new boat, I would certainly consider a Jeaneau.

Neil

 

[King Penguin]

I'd be an un happy bunny taking a new boat through the canals...

Buy second hand, ignore the scrapes and dents you'll get and cruise longer with the money you'll save...

I agree go second-hand and you could get a quality yacht and you'll find it's a better investment when you sell her. A new yacht will soon lose it's shine after a year or so whereas the quality yacht will just go on and on and on!

 

[maby]

I suspect that there isn't that much to choose between them in terms of build quality - Hanse, Jeanneau, Beneteau, Delphia, Bavaria - they are all built down to a budget to satisfy the mass market. We have a Jeanneau 33i that is about six months old now - very pleased with it, but we have called in the dealer to correct a couple of gelcoat defects and a badly fitting hatch, and I have corrected a few minor defects in the internal fittings myself.

When all is said and done, you have to look at the price and ask yourself how much you can/are prepared to pay for the size of boat you want. Jeanneaus have a five year structural warranty and two years on the fittings - long enough to get any serious defects rectified.

 

[dt4134]

Apparently Jeanneaus sail quite well without the keel, so that should solve the draft issues for the canals. You can have the keel shipped separately and refitted in the south of France.

 

[Mr Cassandra]

Apparently Jeanneaus sail quite well without the keel, so that should solve the draft issues for the canals. You can have the keel shipped separately and refitted in the south of France.

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[uxb]

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Maybe referring to the janneau charter boat that lost its keel and no one noticed for another two charters.... Or something

 

[Bav34]

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http://www.wavetrain.net/news-a-views/190-charter-boat-loses-keel-and-no-one-noticed

 

[jwilson]

We are currently deciding on which shallow draft 40 footer to buy. We want a new shallow draft boat to take through the French canals or possibly Biscay, then spend a couple of years cruising the med.
Our budget is 140-160k and have narrowed it down to a Hanse 385/ Hanse 400 or a Jeanneau 409.
I heard some bad things about Jeanneau build quality over the last few years. However similarly I have heard the same about Hanse.
Can you please offer your opinions on both, and please don't hijack the thread with talks of what you could buy with 150k that would take you round Cape horn and looks like a geriatrics mahogany library below .
Many thanks in advance

Both are built down to a price. In my view the Jeanneau is probably slightly better built, but the Hanse is probably a better sailing boat. I own a Jeanneau, and have sailed and considered buying a Hanse.

The Hanse 400 I sailed had an interior apparently made by the budget arm of Ikea, and was very flimsy, also had nasty sharp corners to the interior joinery. Mind you, it sailed beautifully - deep keel version.

All mass production boats are built down to a price, and all will do the job you want. It pains me to say it, but at last years Southampton boat show the mass-builder that seemed to have the best quality fitout was Bavaria.

Another thought - not many yachts get through the French canals without a few, and sometimes quite a lot of, scratches and scuffs, so your new boat might not stay that shiny that long if you take that route.

 

[Talulah]

I frequently sail two Jeaneau 36i's that are 18 months old. They are now in their second season as Sailing School boats.
Generally they still look pretty good but all the galley worktop surfaces on both boats are badly chipped at the edges especially around the sink. I have looked at the Hanse. I like the fact you get a coloured hull but as previously stated the interior is like the cheap end of Ikea.
Another issue with both Jeaneau 36i's but probably true for other boats is the 'tea/coffee' cupboard is badly scorched at the bottom. I'm just waiting for someone to actually set fire to it. What happens is people light the stove, put the kettle on top and then open the cupboard door to get the coffe/tea out. What they don't notice is the bottom edge of the door is now directly in/above the flame.

Just Google 'Problems with Hanse' and 'Problems with Jeaneau' and see what comes back.
Since Bavaria has already been mentioned I'm afraid I would be in with that camp over the others.

 

[jonic]

Jeanneau would just have the edge for me too.

Here's an excellent one, already down south and shoal draft for coming back through the canals.

Lots of good and interesting points on the Hanse but the interiors don't seem as robust as the Jeanneau's.

 

[maby]

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All mass production boats are built down to a price, and all will do the job you want. It pains me to say it, but at last years Southampton boat show the mass-builder that seemed to have the best quality fitout was Bavaria.

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The current Bavaria range does seem well built, but I would be nervous in one in any kind of sea - there seems to be a lot of sharp corners around to fall against.

 

[jubro]

I've cruised and raced on a Hanse 370 and an older Jeanneau 40 and 36. Both had their problems.

The Hanse was very nice to sail and had loads of space, but there were quite a few rough edges to the fitout, like hatches to under-bunk lockers that opened to the top of the water tank, rather than the empty space next to it. It looked nice when new, but took a lot of cleaning to keep it nice, and I reckon would look tired and dated quite soon, as others have said.

The Jeanneau I sailed on for several seasons was generally a well-built boat and still looked good when 7 years old. It sailed reasonably well and was comfortable to live on. However, the mast came down due to a manufacturing fault with the chainplate tie-rods. Jeanneau coughed up for the repair as several boats had the same problem.

I guess what I'm saying is, don't expect not to have problems when paying £150k for a new 40 foot boat. For what you want, I'd choose the Jeanneau, but I wouldn't take a new boat thru' the canals. I'd spend £100k on a good second hander and £50k on getting her just right.

 

[cmedsailor]

For that price you could also consider the Delphia 40.3. Quality is very good but seaworthiness is excellent. Very healthy ballast ratio with a selection of keels (the deep keel is good for the Med, not good for the canals though).

 

[Oscarpop]

As the original OP, it is nice to see the discussion opened again after a good few months.

We really did look long and hard at both builders and we were adamanant that we were going to buy new.

Now I see the arguement for buying second hand, and appreciate the ups to that way of doing things. However ( finances aside), I like to know what my boat has been through, and also reduce the likelyhood of hidden and possibly dangerous problems. Now I know that you can't remoce this risk, but it does minimise it.
( Contrarily, I have only ever once bought a new car. The rest are used )/

Anyhow, in the end we went to the boat show, looked at the new models and bought neither. The build of both was not up to anything but day sailing in our opinion.
If the cabinetry falls apart on a new boat, you start to question how badly the rest is made.
So we spent more, went to a better marque and will update you as to how we get on with our new " fat a*sed girl"

 

[Aqua Badger]

Hanse Quality

We are still a little way off getting ourselves to the position of being able to buy and this is a great thread to keep looking at as these two builders are on our list.

In our opinion the Hanses have improved considerably over the last few years which is probably inline with the collaboration with Moody and Dehler. They are the only builder in this bracket using epoxy resins in the hull and the interiors seem far more solid.

Hopefully we do not have to wait too much longer but right now the Hanse is winning.

 

[Husfeldt]

I had a Hanse 350 and the windows all fell out. It took a long time to get them fixed and the job wasn't that satisfactory. I understand that other 350's had window trouble. I don't know whether this applied to the hanse 400. I also found the Hanse very tender - perhaps the big main referred to previously is a factor in this - and really needed to be reefed from 12 knots of wind. Probably compensated by good light air performance. I lost confidence in the Hanse and changed to a Jeanneau 409. I haven't had it long enough to give any meraningful verdict, but so far I am very pleased with the fit and finish - and it is a beautiful boat.
best wishes with your purchase whatever it may be

I am super curious about the 409 as I am considering getting one (Upgrading from my Bavaria 33 Cruiser - that has served me well for 11 years now).
Can you share some info..

 

[[3889]]

No first hand experience of Hanse but I have a Jeanneau 36i and am considering upsizing to 42' ish. Whilst a newish 439/449 is not beyond the bounds of possibility I'm seriously thinking of a used SO45 from the late noughties and spending a lump of cash on sails, rigging, electronics etc. Downside is the % loss on selling will almost certainly be higher, though the opposite may be true for the actual loss.
I do think JenBenBavHanse build quality has declined over the last 10-15 years and, whilst I share your aversion to dark, pokey saloons, the loft-like interiors of modern AWBs has gone to far the other way, IMO.

 

[sailingdom]

i wouldn't take a 40 footer through the canals much as it is a great trip. I went through the Midi route from south to north on a Wharram cat..lol! But I've also done the typical route via N.Spain ...Portugal..Gib and so on. Missing Northern Spain would be a huge mistake IMO. We went to Luanco then Luarca and on to La Coruna and down the stunning Portuguese coast, spending a significant amount of time in the beautiful port of Lagos where my little sister was born and then on to the islands off Olao and Faro, Culatra, along with the trip up the stunning Guardiana river and then the Med etc...

 

[Refueler]

We are currently deciding on which shallow draft 40 footer to buy. We want a new shallow draft boat to take through the French canals or possibly Biscay, then spend a couple of years cruising the med.
Our budget is 140-160k and have narrowed it down to a Hanse 385/ Hanse 400 or a Jeanneau 409.
I heard some bad things about Jeanneau build quality over the last few years. However similarly I have heard the same about Hanse.
Can you please offer your opinions on both, and please don't hijack the thread with talks of what you could buy with 150k that would take you round Cape horn and looks like a geriatrics mahogany library below .
Many thanks in advance

Jeanneau.

Have a number of friends with Hanse ... old and later after the changes ... Old - excellent ... new .. mmmmm

For me Jeanneau ...